Qual: Not sure, but I think you don't have to change anything at all.

Race: Take off 10% of tape, move 5 lbs back, change diff ratio to 3.563:1.

VH, I was earlier talking about the set you had posted last week. The new one, I just moved weight forward, and took 1 lb of air out of each tire to adjust to my driving style. It was just too loose, but now I love it. I still need to do a long run, but after 20 laps I was at 37.6's with a best of 37.0. The Q setup was too loose for me to get a lap in without spinning. I used the race set with the above adjustments plus 2 more clicks forward, 3.56 gear, 650 LF spring, 600 RF spring. Front bar to 1.750. The larger LF spring really feels good, but it's weird it works. I'm at 36.8's in Q at 70, so I still need to find some speed. Its tight from the center out. Any looser in and I can't drive it, so I need to find something that will help off the corner and not loosen me in. Your sets are awsome, I just can't handle them so loose.

Sally

Too loose at the entry? Well, for me, a car can't be too loose there.
Maybe you're steering too much and / or you roll off the throttle too quickly...?

Yes, my style is to come off the gas a little. As far as steering too much, the car turns itself too much and there is no way I can keep up with it coming around. If I gas it up, I spin, if I stay off the gas it turns itself around. Late in the run I need to stay off the gas to let it turn in the center on the set of yours I have adjusted. Maybe 1lb out of the lr will help without making it loose in.

First of all, thanks for posting your setups--all of them rock and this Michigan one is very fast and consistent. I have one question about for you about this set: for me it's a real handful on starts/restarts (but fine the rest of the time), so I want to tighten it up just a bit as to not take out the whole field! Which is the best way for good tire wear--adding some wedge or moving weight forward? I hope you answer wedge because that leaves the option of taking some wedge out during a pit stop when the field is more spread out. I'm not sure which would be better...

Thanks again,
Don

Yeah, bassman, it sounds like you know exactly what I'm talking about--it really is just that first lap or so that it's really on the edge. And I think you're right, it's because the car isn't going fast enough yet. Well, I'll practice those restarts some more and see what happens!

Thanks,
Don

I got the race setup and it worked good ( i thought see was a little tight even)

put rear sway all the way up, then raised right track bar to 9.0 and took out about 25lbs of wedge.

THIS SETUP HAULED #$@ great rolling car man you got the gearing perfect


THANKS,
Showtime©®

Showtime, it sounds like you REALLY loosened the set up. Do you drive it like that without any type of driving aid? (By the way, I'm gonna take your tip and try it myself. You never know. )

I heard that VH has a setup for Indianapolis...Is that true? If so is there any way that I could get it? I just raced Indy and used Intimidator1's setup. I use VH's sets exclusively at the tracks that I have his setup. I would really, REALLY like to get one for Indy.

Thanks for all your great setups.

Norville.

No, I haven't been there with the patch.

NO aids

I LIKE LOOSE setups it might take me a few crashes before getting use to the way the car slides, rolls, etc..... BUT if you can hang on to a really loose car for a couple laps, let tires warm and burn fuel will always tighten me up.

NEED to test what new tires and light fuel does before racing a loose setup... SOMETIMES it gets really crazy so I will add a little wedge or take a lb. out of the tires if light on fuel. SOME SETUPS will be good on full and half tank thought so test this before running in a league and you'll be good.

At first when racn I use to drive hard and this would push the front end more and more. By getting use to steering car with throttle and the rear end (yes you gotta get up on the wheel, but thats racn. "I work that wheel early in runs.") Late into runs with a car so loose you can get off the corners faster if the front end is not pushn toward wall. The back might get loose and slip out a little but I'm still going faster that when the track bar was smaller and the rear end rolls more. Yes the back RR might spin if your too hard into the gas but that is better to feel than a pushn front end and having to back out of the gas to not hit wall.

YOU DONT want to get loose in middle and slip the RR every lap, BUT IF YOU CAN FIND that point and just ease the THROTTLE and find the split second where you can give it all the gas. MAN ---- YOU WILL be killing the compitition!!!!!

Showtime,

I tried the setup with the changes you made. You are right, it's a handful at the start. It really turns nicely. I haven't taken it on any long runs though. ( I did spin a couple of times trying to drive too hard.)

I've been running the VH set as is and getting used to the caster changes. It wants to shoot to the right on the stretches but it turns really well. So, I can't complain and won't.

I like your setups Volker. I like 'em alot.

Norville.

What would need to be adjusted to make the downloadable Michigan setup work as a truck setup?

dunno

Volker, have you done any truck testing at Michigan. My PB was a 40.2ish, popped your cup setup in, set at 50% tape, and changed gears to those used on Dale Jr's setup and i was lapping much better, and without the car getting loose (except for maybe a little off turn 2 early in the run). I did 18 laps, the last 10 of which were all in the 40.0xx bracket . Im not really sure what else i could change to make it faster in the open (dont want to change gears as they seem like they will be just clipping red light in a draft!!), apart from raising pressures a little.

Any ideas?

-EDIT-

Oh, just read the post above.

Try 50% tape, final gear at 3.688 (4th at 1.000) . That was what i did those times above with. Im about to try dropping the spoiler a bit, raising pressures 4 clicks all round (mad adjustment, i know) and taking weight back 1 click, and seeing what happens, il post times here in a few minutes!!!

OK, good news is i did a 39.997 on lap 5

bad news is the next lap felt quick but was a 40.2, and the lap after that it pushed big time in turn 1/2

Im gonna stick the pressure back to what they were and take 1 more click out of rear wing (so it'll now be at 64) and see how it goes!!!