20 probably, because that's the point where those f**king hotlapper setups get uncontrollable.

yeah.. those guys will think they have a setup under them which is the DBs for like 15, 20 laps.. then they'll be dirt tracking out of Turn 4.. well, that's a bit complimentary of 1) the game, and 2) their skills, because to be honest I don't think it's possible in this game

maybe they should install a McDonalds on the front stretch near the pit road wall, 'coz I'm sure a lot of these guys will be attempting a drive through

The problem is that drivers losing control coming out of turn 4 usually try to drive through the pit wall, not down the pit road.

yeah I meant them trying to drive through the imaginary McD's on the front stretch, not on pit road

ha John.. you used these times from our praccy session with mik?
you can't they're copyrighted...

I loosened your set up a bit.. . great for short sprints... VERY PAINFULL in the long run, as so eliquently stated by you both... (hate mcdonalds, love doughnuts)

Thanks Volker. The exit off of 4 remained very stable throughout the run, that is why I felt I may have been leaving something on the table. It never twitched. Maybe I wasn't driving quite hard enough off. There wasn't any need to push, I was easily faster than most . I will keep in mind your suggested changes for the future. What is the max tire temp you recommend? My goal with your sets (with exceptions of course) has been to run between 230 and 240. Generally with very good results! Thanks again.

The tire temps depend on the track, there's no general temperature range where you have the best tire wear and grip.

At Darlington and with conditions to 70°F clear, I try to keep the RF temperature (that's the only tire I care about) below 210°F, but 215°F is OK as well if you have to run harder for a certain reason.

Not trying to be a pain but wondering when you'll be posting your replays. You wouldn't believe how much they helped me at Atlanta, especially for tire wear!! I appreciate all the technical tidbits you've been adding to go along with the sets, for example - good race lap times and RF tire temps. I use them as very good guides. Thanks again

Volker..I was very happy with your set Monday night...very nice...we had temps at 72 with 8 mph se wind...it was perfect...I ran 2nd thank you a ton.

Got the pole at Atlanta with your Q set and was running a very strong run in your R set, but ended up in a incedent that put me in 7th at the end.

Thank you for all that you put into your Hobby!

not sure if first post went through but great sets .. got me a win tnks again visit www.freewebs.com/blueax4u23 when u get a chance leave addy in guest book we talk more tnks again blue #23 post i did at grr

volk u got me a win at www.grassrootsracin.com!!!!!!!!!



what a run......man i as yall know things been a little different lately this race i was at a old co-worker's house that i used to work with at siw ,i got him into nascar sim a year ago, so i ask him if i could race on his comp. so it was a little different but i new i had a good car thanks to my team mates and a special buddy (smile u know who.) and worked with it all day well im in a rual area on cable it ran fine all day long ....got to race ping was sky high
so i dropped to rear.......car felt good and a lot of hot keys later i saw my self up front, then it was pure old school drivin' thanks to all who gave room ,... im really speechless , i try every week to run clean,just to run clean and finnish in one piece. ...but wow! PRACTICE pays off, i new my weak points as well as my strong points, things fell right and we, Dawghouse Motorsports went to victory lane!!!!!!! and #8 what a run at the end.wew what a run! THANK YOU ALL #23
PS....man i felt like i was runnin in nextel cup for a sec ,when i crossed finnish line i jumped up and forgot about drivin' wew!

5 race laps...

VH,

I'm having a big problem with turns 3 and 4. Car is way loose. I'm very good in turn 1 and 2. I can get into turn 3 very good but in the middle of the turn, the car wants to spin and from that point on its like I'm on ice. Any suggestions?

Thanks,
David

I assume you mean late in a run say from lap 40 on out. I had the same problem but is was b/c I loosened VH's set too much. Is your front bias at 51.0 or so? What changes did you make to VH's original set? The car s/b be "too" tight at the beginning and you cannot push it early or you are toast. Now, it will still get a bit dicey towards the end of a long run in 3 and 4 but you just have to ease on the gas thru and out of T4. Late in the run I could not slam on the gas or even be at 100% in mid of turn 3. Hope this helps.

VH - any other thoughts?

No, it is that loose from the start and it gets worse. I haven't made any changes to the setup.

Please send me a 5 lap replay and I will see what I can do.


Joe

Volker, thanks for the replays. Was running similar to that, just need to get consistent in 3 and 4. What are you guys running after 25 laps for times. When have you started hittin' 30's and 31's? Just figuring what kind of tire conservation to shoot for.

I start getting into the 30s after 26 or 27 laps...after running some 29.0s and 29.1s at the beginning. I don't know when I would get into the 31s with that pace because I've never done more than 40 laps starting that fast.