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10-26-2003, 04:34 AM

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10-26-2003, 04:34 AM

I don't understand the engine prob, in the past week I've done about 1,000 laps of Atlanta, and never suffered one engine failure with the race set. Even in the ESCORS EC race where we were all very close, never had a problem

btw, in cloudy, with a couple of changes the times at 60F Cloudy which i tested at in preparation for a cloudy race at Atlanta, I was doing 27.6/7 in qual trim no draft.


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10-26-2003, 11:22 PM

I used the same setup as well for the whole ESCORS weekend, and never had troubles.
I only changed the 4th gear to 0.960 with cloudy conditions.
Thanks for sharing your setups Volker.
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10-27-2003, 10:27 PM

Volker, you said you keep the RF around 245-250, can you tell me what that would make the RR temps?

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10-27-2003, 11:13 PM

Actually, I try to keep the RF as cool as possible. In a league race at 70°F clear with yellows on, it would probably be like 240-245°F. At 60°F clear, I try to keep the RF at 235-240°F.
And I don't care about RR temperatures, the car won't become very loose even if you have backdraft all the time.
   
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10-27-2003, 11:50 PM

It's not easy to keep the RF 'cool'. Are there any setup adjustments that could help? I don't mind losing a little speed on that. It's just that with 65 Cloudy driving alone it felt like I had to lift 50% more then with the 70F Clear conditions. Or is that the trick,.... I know steering input will have to be one of the factors that's important, but I'm not getting cooler tires while I do try a lot of different approaches into the turn. (I feel like crappy driver for not being able to keep the RF cool)
Tweaking a setup like this is really delicate work,.. Testing changes could best be done on fuel run and with traffic. And with a setup as driveable as this I feel like I can only damage it by tweaking .
And I mean changes to the first 'tab' of the setup. The rest I'm a bit more comfortable tweaking.
Is there a setup guide that the setupguru's use? Or is it all experience? Is there perhaps a "setup-guru guide" in the making? So many questions .
   
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10-28-2003, 12:16 AM

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It's just that with 65 Cloudy driving alone it felt like I had to lift 50% more then with the 70F Clear conditions.
Cloudy weather means much higher top speeds, so you have to lift earlier, that's not unusual at all.


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It's not easy to keep the RF 'cool'. Are there any setup adjustments that could help?
I don't know such a kind of adjustment...
All you can do is driving smooth and slow, no slides, very little steering.


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I know steering input will have to be one of the factors that's important, but I'm not getting cooler tires while I do try a lot of different approaches into the turn.
I posted a replay of 5 race laps earlier in this thread...maybe it helps.


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Is there a setup guide that the setupguru's use? Or is it all experience? Is there perhaps a "setup-guru guide" in the making?
1. I don't use a guide as there is none for N03.
2. Some experience and a lot of trial&error.
3. No.
   
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10-28-2003, 11:56 PM

The strange thing is that I feel like I drive smoother when going into the corners, but still pump up the temperatures to 260-250 on the RF. And I try to slow down, but that doesn't really cool the tires. To bad steering input isn't shown in a bar like the throttle and brake are in a replay file. You can only see the steering wheel move a little. There must be to much tirescrubbing going on somewhere in my case. I drive with my steering linearity around 75%. I figure that going to 100% will only multiply the scrubbing and tireheating. Is this a correct way to look at it? Or could that also affect the way a setup reacts? I also fear that a controller might make things like tirescrubbing a bit worse (recently saw that a Momo has more 'numbers' in calibration, and could that perhaps result in a smoother ride?). What wheel and settings do you use Volker?

I'm now trying to get my exits different, but I'm getting afraid of the draft ,.. that will probably overheat my tires for sure. And as I look at your replay I see you flooring the gas most of the time. And it looks like you drive it quit aggresive. The car pushes when I do that, as a result I steer into the corner some more, but that can only heat the tires up and make them fall off faster,..
I'm trying to get the car more loose setupwhise. Is that a way to go, or should I try and make it more loose with the throttle/steering input?
A lot of really annoying questions perhaps . But I'd appreciate your insights. Things like this puzzle me while it could easily be my imagination.
(making it more loose ruled out after draft sessions , still puzzled)

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10-29-2003, 03:56 PM

I'm using a Microsoft Sidewinder FFB Wheel (stock), with linearity at 100% and the following sensivity settings:



If I loosen the setup, the car will become too loose after 40 or 50 laps with the tire-saving driving style I use in league races, so I wouldn't recommend that.
   
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10-29-2003, 04:21 PM

Cool.
I have the same sterring wheel,
but i use 50% of sensibility with 100% linearity.
I will try your setting,
maybe i can be more smooth with it.
   
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10-29-2003, 06:18 PM

linearity at 100%, I have mine at 20%, always wondered how this works, and how it affects the performance, I will try at 100% and see how it works.


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LxMartini "The only question is - why would he do this and not come out and admit it was him? I mean the guy who made the post - RT being his initials (yes, I'm working on it, it's like one of those murder dramas where the truth is slowly revealed)"

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10-30-2003, 06:21 AM

Just want to thank you for the great setup.
I just won my first league race with it, and it suited my conservative driving style so much that at one point I almost had the entire field a lap down before people started pitting for tires.
It also did great during the five lap sprint at the end caused by a late caution. It had just enough grip to help keep me on the bottom during hard use which enabled me to pass the leader and win.

On another note, being fast and consistant on a track is not just dependent on having the best setup, it has to be the right setup for the way you drive a car. If you find that someones "expert sure fire" setup just doesn't do the job for you, then you need to find another expert that drives more the way you do, or you will end up tinkering a good setup to death and not getting anywhere.
There are a lot of great guys here donating what they have learned, so be sure to try them all!

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Originally Posted by Volker Hackmann
I'm using a Microsoft Sidewinder FFB Wheel (stock), with linearity at 100% and the following sensivity settings:



If I loosen the setup, the car will become too loose after 40 or 50 laps with the tire-saving driving style I use in league races, so I wouldn't recommend that.
hello volker ,

can i know your values of strenght/damping/latency ?


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11-16-2003, 11:59 PM

off / off / off - I don't use FF because the wheel I used before the MS Sidewinder was a non-FF one. I had some problems to make the switch, so I didn't need FF as a further difference...
   
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12-24-2003, 05:21 AM

thx Volker
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Great set--I just recently discovered your sets and love them. I went into Atlanta cold, having never driven this one. The green flag was first time across the line and I took 4th. The set just lays nice and docile and does what you ask it to do. Thanks for the sets.

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