i'm not really involved in this, and don't want to be, but i agree with chris. I'm friends with basically everyone in this argument and while i understand not everyone will get along, it is frustrating and disheartening to see everyone just flat out brawl with the personal attacks and such. i recognize it may not be possible for some to "get over it" and be friends again, but i know everyone involved is capable of agreeing to disagree. the flat out hatred is really quite ridiculous.

"Is Faster than You".

Yes Chris you let Kevin play you and completly ignore anything thats been said and just brush it off as a few people not getting along, thats the only reason why you signed up afterall is to stick your head up there.

If its really as simple as you say, there really wouldn't be a problem in my view, but maybe if you actually read everything i've posted and others have which is not even half of the shit thats gone down things wouldn't appear to be just a case of a few guys not liking each other right? As i said in one of my posts i think, i could see a side to Kevin when i talked to him that i thought yeah ok we can be friends here, but i learnt i was just been 'played' and 'used' and i hate that and he still carries on to do that to this day, use and play people.


The take it, and accept route really isn't any option either, why should anyone have to put up with what they have had to,just because they're competative in a league. As i said, i've been there in many leagues before, but DMP took the dam biscuit, not just with me but the way other people i had gotten to know and there was only one reason why they were been treated that way.

So read over what i've said, and if you can put that down to a slight disagreement than fine, but i can't really remember you been the most mature person around, you really had nothing inteligent to say to me when ever we talked, well you were not even pleasent to me even when i found your brother hacking you still felt the need to somehow blame it on me.

Racing is meant to be fun, and DMP was and still is one of the best groups of ppl and racers i've known, and it was that when Kevin wasn't around. Its such a shame, to me and many others that the league is run that way, i think more so because i believe DMP as the top step on league racing along with its associations with real drivers, and the importance of that for sim racing in general the league should take responsibility upon itsself to have intregity also, to give sim racing that. How can a league, and a 'sport' such as sim racing be taken serious when the top league for it, is run this way?

I had come before DMP from racing people like Volker, who is extremly competative, yet for 3/4 years now more we have been able to remain friends without once having to have a dick fight about who beat who, who wrecked who, he never felt the need to flame me, never felt the need to get me penalties, never felt the need to do anything on track to me. And i have this type of relationship with pretty much everyone i race reguarly and thats how it should be, and how i want it to be, i don't go out of my way to be an asshole to someone for no reason.

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If you cant ever forget about something, and you think this issue is the end of the world, you really need to grow up...cause thats kiddy talk. Some day you guys will see that this shit wasnt even worth your time...i hope.


I dont care if im the most liked person in dmp or the internet or in sim racing, i didnt know this was a popularity contest, and i didnt know


Show me one thing where king brought any of this shit to some other forum by actually starting it. I've seen the screen shots from in a race and i've seen the videos, but this shit that you guys do over here and in the dmp server is fucking ridiculous, and in my opinion more and might be worse than anything kevin has ever done.

And yeah im going to get mad when i hear my brother has been cheating, because at first you're going to stick up for your brother. I was pissed that you decided you had to act like you are rightious out of no where by taking matters in to your own hands and intentionally wrecking him, what did that solve? After knowing he was cheating, it was fine for you guys to say that he cheated, cause it was right....but wreck him? nope. but thats your fucked up mentality, you think anything you do is okay

Ummm see the difference between me and the rest of you saying that kevin is using you and blah blah blah....is that i've actually met kevin before, more than one time. Stayed in his house, and spent another like 4-5 days with him. All you guys go by is online bullshit, so if you're trying to persuade me who he is when you've never even been in the same country as him before...it's not gonna happen, because none of you have a clue.

That was actually an inside joke to me and a few people based on what happened in a server one day, but if people get butt hurt over that, then they really need to step away for a second don't you think? I don't think I've ever gone on forums saying how fast I was or that my lap times were far better than anyone else.

On the other hand Towler, "I" never gave you penalties, there was a GROUP of other racers that VOTED on each penalty, so to still bitch and moan that I was somehow responsible is rediculous. I didn't email every single person on that group to have them vote any which way, and if I did don't you think you'd hear about it, or is that a big ol conspiracy against you?

As far as what I may have said in the SRN chat, that is NOTHING compared to the shit I've seen you talk about me in NUMEROUS occasions during races. Yeah I hear about it and watch it, so don't sit there and act like you didn't do the same shit to me. You complain that your friends are getting treated like shit this and that, YET you find it ok for YOU to do the same shit you accuse me of? And then if someone I know is there to say something all of the sudden their kissing my ass and I'm playing them? Get real, you can try to make it like I go all over the place and just flat out belittling people on a daily basis, but I'm sure I can find PLENTY of occasions where you have just dogged people or accused them of cheating.

I have absolutely 0 involvement in what the league is doing these days, but 5 months later you still seem to think you know about every single move that they do, and think that I am simply controlling it when that couldn't be further from the truth. All I do is show up every Tuesday and race.

Come on, everyone with a brain knows what has gone on, trying to play the whole 'kevin really hasn't done anything wrong really act' isn't going to fly, its already been tried by Kevin himself and it failed.

give me a fucking break, on sierra some trash is hacking away going way faster than anyone else with a damage car and he comes flying up past everyone, we all should just keep quiet about it i guess once we find out its your brother, its sierra and if some dude is hacking, doesn't matter who he is, he's going to wrecked, ejected, soon as you hack you don't deserve anything its the lowest thing you can do in sim racing. Its like saying if someone walks up to you and keeps punching you in the face you should sit there and take it.

The only person you need to be pissed at is your dumbass brother, but you seemed more fucked off that me and Derek called him out and therefore ruined his chance to get into DMP, you certainly seemed more concerned with talking trash about me and derek than actually giving a dam what your brother did.

As i've made clear in my posts, its not just about what happened between you and me, thats actually a very small part of it really. Its the way you treated most of the people around you, and people i consider to be good friends. Its the way you carry to actually deny any responsibility for anything and try to make out that its everyone else that has been the problem.

Yeah i've been on SRN Chat a few times and had a laugh, as i said if your going to go on SRN chat and talk trash about people, i'm going to do the same to you.

Virtually everything i've said is about what happened while i was there, and what i discussed with people while i was there, sure i've heard a few things since as i know alot of people that race in DMP still, and not just 'that group' that you seem is the group that is behind all of this.

I'm done, used to do this type of arguing back on the mhogaming newsgroup....




back when i was 15

Oh yeah? Most as in who? If you're going to make generalized accusation at least back it up with names or occasions of a lot of people if you're going to say most.

Haven't I already said I made mistakes? I dont think I ever held anyone else as the one doing wrong in any situation and were the problem, and if you could show me where I did say taht I'd like to see it. In one instance I said something in chat, and in MANY instances you did it WAY more than I ever did, but in your eyes that's somehow justifiable? You make little no sense at all. In one breath you talk down to me for doing something, but in the next step you do the exact same thing if not MORE.

So yeah you're a hypocrite.

you guys are gonna like this, if its the same guy?

http://forums.ea.com/mboards/thread....t=195&tstart=0
http://forums.ea.com/mboards/thread....54483&#1754483

Yeah I was defending myself being called a cheater, is that a problem or is that all you have?

Nice 1st post.

"Thats all he has" and he so wanted to make that first post count lol....

I have lived through the great Heino/Bollinger flame war of the 90s to see King/everyone else come across like IRAQ redue : )

The sad truth about much of this is that it will be the end of DMP. Lets' be practical about it. That league is has cult status for one reason (Jr) and one reason only. And everyone, fan or folly, knows it.

It (a sim league) is not like real life in that sense. Favoritism will eat a league like a disease.

Sadly, and with wretched abandonment, like the flame wars of old greats gone by, DMP will slip into the night because good people unfailingly tire of being used.

But there is history here. And as in the past, another day will bring another masterpiece, and war.

trivial

Trivial, you are the goddamned man.