A word of caution about a league named Breakaway Racing or BRL. I have been the victem of a very harsh and unfair treatment and banning for something I didn't do. I know, your saying to yourself, "Ya right, ya had to have done something". I was given the classic dive-low-slide-up wreck treatment by a over-aggressive driver and taken out of a race. My teamate private messages me to file a protest. I respond "f*k that, I don't do protest", my excact words. The admins, who were present at the time, said nothing to me. After the race the wrecker was bugging me to talk about it and told him I didn't want to discuss it cuz I was mad. He kept bugging me so I typed into the shout box "**** you" Four asterisks and "you". All without evidence, witnesses, or inqueries they fined me 25 champ points and suspended me 3 races for the charge of flaming. All other valid flamming charges from that year were given a written warning first and a $20,000 fine for the second offence. For my alleged first offence they took all hopes of winning the championship and ruined a part of our teams reunion weekend. I was in second place in the standings with 4 races left at the time of the incident. I fly down to Atlanta every year to meet with my online team and go to the fall race at Atlanta. I also run a league race from my buddy's 3 monitor setup and Racers edge full cockpit. Not just a race at someone elses house, a whole different experience. They held their trial and passed down their sentence 2 days before I fly out to Georgia. Why did they pick me? Don't know. The person I allegedly flammed didn't even think so and told the admins his feelings. One of our oldest rights we adopted from Britian is the right to face your accuser. Of course I was upset and wrote one admin a nasty email, one and only one. When I get home after the Atlanta race, (Jr got wrecked and boy was I mad! lol) I find myself banned from their website and teamspeak server. My IP is banned from their website and they cancell my email account. What the F??? [...] Obviously they answer to no-one and everything that they do is "divine intervention". After 2 1/2 years there and I was even a member of the staff with my oun column on the site. I was given no notice of banning from the league or clue why. They basicly crucified one of their oun to springboard their anti-flamming crusade. They made up a charge, handed down an outragous sentence, and then banned me when I got mad about it. I have sent many emails demanding a reason for their actions and an apology to no avail. It's not like I want to race there again but they cut me off from my good friends I talked to EVERY DAY! Some that I have met in person. All for what? They just hide from that question behind their banning wall. This kind of admin process gives the online racing world a big black eye. [...] I hope to forever have this warning to all who may be thinking of racing there. There ought to be a law!

Don't you think there might be a slight difference between the Nazi war crime and a ban from an online league? - VH
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Just move on man, if you feel you were done unfairly handle it with the procedures they have setup, not by cursing. -NM

Sorry, I know that cursing is bad edicate. It's the nature of the beast that peeps will get aggravated at each other on the track. That's racing! A whole lot of heartache and very little glory. I have moved on to a different league but you have to understand that I lost all contact with very close friends I talked to every day for 2 1/2 years! That hurts my feelings on a daily basis. I gladly admit when I'm wrong. I would have loved to follow the procedures you mentioned. They don't have any so I didn't have that option. Please enlighten me if you know something I don't. My comparison was more on the way they went about their actions than the actions themselves.

PS I appreciate what you both do for the racing community by running this site and giving out your setups. I hope that my bad experience with BRL has ended already. You can remove the thread if you feel that it could only attract more negative results.

I have since moved on to a couple different leagues as there are so many out there. I will take with me only the positive things and learn from the experience. I have heard that it has been all downhill for them since and they will lose their main sponser. To the front!


Das Masser

yep, i know all about it. i didnt read the whole thing bc my presidents speaking and im tired and im too lazy right now. but i WILL read the whole thing tomarrow.

ive had my own experiences with stupid people. got baned from PRTraceway for joining late and accidently merging onto the track at the same time the leaders were coming and wrecked. it was only lap 2 and they coulda just restarted. but before my car could even stop spinning, i was baned. i heared from someone else who got baned from there that they are quick to ban people. im upset with nascar junkies right now myself. they were all flaming me and saying that i was driving wrecklessly when all i did was bump into a car at portland pwf. that was just 1 incident and i didnt even wreck them. i dont even think i spun them. then there was a pit incident, which i dont even think was my fault bc i was still in my pit stall. the other guy came too close and cut across my stall if you ask me. and then at the end of the race (once before it was over, then again after the checkered flag). accidents happen. what he did was on purpose and bad sportsmanship. i braked too late once heading into the final turns so i kept the car as straight as possibly while braking very carefully while going through the grass and then coming back on to the track. i handeled the situation the bast i could. that was really hard to do. and i came through without wrecking or spining. then people were bitching bc i cut across the track and said i was wreckless. but i had no choice, i was going too fast. and i am proud of myself and how i handled the situation.

here are the replays.

so all i can tell you is forget about them. they are losers and there are SO MANY OTHER places you can go. there are litteraly hundreds of racing leagues and you dont need to race with jerks.

which tracks for your replays?

o. sorry. i forgot about that. all my replays were about the Portland PWF track.

i cant find the direct link to it right now. im sure you can find it yourself right?

Those were about the funniest clips Ive seen.What was up with the guy that turned into the inside wall and the other one aiming for you?
In all fairness though,I think you should post the save by you, and the pit road incident,if your looking for comments.Allthough I dont think anything would excuse the kamakazi driver.

"In all fairness though,I think you should post the save by you, and the pit road incident,if your looking for comments.Allthough I dont think anything would excuse the kamakazi driver."

i dont understand. i posted the pit road incident. and by "save", do you mean a replay save? or save..as in how i saved the car from spining?

bc i dont have the first half of the replay where i went off course. but i do have laps 16-32 saved. i can upload it if you really want to see the whole thing...well, atleast HALF of the race.

yeah, i was mad that nothing was done about the guy who tried to wreck me. that was one of the reasons why i left them. maybe it was part my fault for the spin in the pits. i think he shouldnt of been in my pit stall, but either way, it was a simple accident and i dont believe in geting revenge for mistakes.

I must have missed the pit road incident.I will look at it later, and I ment your recovery.

None of that really matters though. I would not want to run in a league that allowed revenge like that,and it dosnt matter why.Last time I checked accidents happen in racing,its part of the deal noobs to pros, if your gonna race sooner or latter your gonna be in a wreck.Did the guy even get a penalty?

Anyways, you are better off without them.There are plenty of leagues to run in that dont condone childish behavior,Im sure you will find one.Good luck.

Still as of late they hide behing their banning wall like cowards. I mean jeez, if you can't even face someone in a chat room, your pretty pathetic. Their behavior is textbook guilt justification. I'm at a new league now that is feeling just like home to me. It was hard to move on by myself. My teamates are still gonna race there knowing I can't. That part is truely depressing. I guess some people would rather just be complacent.

Jeff Hammond/Speedracer1, you are a childish fool. There is nothing wrong with NASCAR Junkies exept for the fact that we dealt with your horrible connection and bad driving habbits. hell, I am on dial up and I have very few problems when racing. When you race you lag out every mintue of the race and then you drop completely then you you constantly ask for you laps back when the admin is already busy with scoring. You act like you never do anything wrong but you f up plenty. You failed to mention your 3 self spins are our martys race. And that was all within the first 50 laps before you gave up. And we gave you the best advice in that situation and you failed to listen to it. We should have kicked you out before you left because most leagues have a max of two self spins. You showed plenty of carelessness at Portland too. A race that you should not have been in but you were lucky that Nav was nice enough to let you race. You failed to keep pace on the start by lagging back. You ran into some one which damaged their car and then you spun out because of it. Then as you pulled away you hit some one else even though it could have been avoided easily. And the situations with me and you in the pits was your fault for your bad connection and your failure to check the mirror before you pulled away from your pit stall. Also, I was not in your pit stall because you were in it. You are a fool that has little understanding about how you should be racing online. Anyway, I was pissed. You cost me ten seconds in the pits because you are careless and therefore you cost me the win and the points lead. Why was I mad? duh. After all, you shouldn't even have been in that race for your actions in the last few. Yeah I hit you under the yellow when you were a lap down because I was pissed. Did it affect the race at all? No. Did anyone care but you? No. Because it didn't change the finishing order. I can't believe that you will say that you made minor contact in the race once(which isn't true) and then whine about me hitting you after the race is over as if it is a big deal. The you need to post about it on every board you can? Grow up. You pissed off everyone on that track for one reason or another because you are a poor racer. And don't act like you got kicked out of the league because you hit a few people. You got kicked out for what you said on our boards. So stop lying because we have been over this crap before. It was also enjoyable to see that DWI didn't want you racing with them too because of your connection. When they asked you to leave because of it you did not. Then you had to be kicked out when you, as the admin said, "would not be a man about it." Your connection has always been hazardous and so has your driving. Instead of complaining about how you were treated you should be thanking us for letting you race with us at all. There are not many leagues that would put up with your crap because you are shameful and your connection is unbareablely bad.

Oh, and I might as well add this. Before all of this happened you stole my name on our new boards because you were mad at me. And you call us childish?

good post sfast

it's funny how things get so warped when only one side of the story is mentioned. still no mention about how I was running way high to let the (then) faster SR1 by at martinsville, and the fool just run slap over me. It's one thing to accidentally hit someone, but to act like an idiot and flat out run over someone who is already out of the way? Come on.

and like I have said before, you are only as good as your connection allows you to be. No need in bragging how much better you are than everyone else (like you did on our boards) after you spin yourself out constantly, and only came in the top 6 or so once, out of 10 cars at most.

Jeff/Sr1

if you are gonna whine and complain,tell the whole truth

you were banned from the league(you didn't leave)for multiple offenses which i can get nav and others to come here and back up

#1.)5 spins at martinsville in the first 20 or so laps of the event
#2.)severe warping and refusing to fix it
#3.)track sitting at portland in practice
#4.)dive bombing in portland during the race
#5.)bad attitude on the nascarjunkies forums
#6.)aggressive attitude/driving during several races

let's not even the dive bomb you put on me in the turn 1 chicane there and didn't even utter as much as a sorry

Rml , during the incident in question Sfast was coming in for a pit stop and Sr1/Jeff was leaving,wasn't even watching that a car was coming up behind him

the person at fault for that was just as much Sfast as it was SR1,but more blame placed on Sr1 cause driving through someones pitbox when they are entering it is uncalled for and wreckless

"You ran into some one which damaged their car and then you spun out because of it."

Me,and ping to be exact

rml,with all due respect i think you need to listen to everyones side before making comments like that

"I was running way high to let the (then) faster SR1 by at martinsville, and the fool just run slap over me."

i barely missed that wreck

and as sfast mentioned,DWI didn't even want you cause you weren't being a man about the situation and fixing your connection,you wanted to stay and complain.


there are other racers in NJ that have 0 problem (those that are on dialup)

I hear ya,Tyler,kdunlap and sfast,selective race clips did look pretty strange though ya gotta admit .I apoligize for jumping to conclusions,there are always two sides to every story,........and in this case four.....lol.I wasnt there so I wont make any further judgement's except to say there is always,
!eject#.... and everyone should remember that sim racing is suposed to be fun

i forgive ya