Cheating

[Volker Hackmann]

To certain server admins and other poor losers on Sierra:

RICHARD TOWLER IS NOT A HACK.

Thanks for your attention.

[TBurnsJr]

Rich isn't...
Josh Combs is...

[TBurnsJr]

lol...

[Mikie Race]

All I know is that there are alot as much as 60% and thats prolly a low figure.
Two that I know for sure are not are the Burke Bros cause im over there house they are flat good period. Wish I was lol.

[Richard Towler]

so i guess the wonderful folks at RSRacing didn't read this! Although i did find it funny after i was ejected, one of the admins came into the lobby and asked for me set so he could 'check it out', i think when i told him i was using your set Volker with 65 he was alittle disapointed!

[JimmyT]

That is why we race on rsClient no one can cheat:eek:

[Volker Hackmann]

Of course you can.

[Derek_Wood]

That is why we race on rsClient no one can cheat:eek:

That is what Mike Baker would love for you to believe.

[TBurnsJr]

lol. Derek, is that quote in your profile a priceless EMonaco statement?

[MoG - Laban]

Do not race with DEGA PRO server on Sierra when Rusty Wallace #66 is admin. He will eject you for being faster than he is.

[Alexander_Thoms]

I recently saw more and more people cheating at sierra. I estimate that about 10-20 % of all drivers cheat there. Last week i caught Fury3, the week before Parker Hammons. To be continued... :rolleyes:

[Mikie Race]

yep they are ruining a great racing sim I run my server "Mikie Race" and I usaully know who is cheating and I have no answer but I will say this the ones who dont my nephews (Burkes) guys like Volker and more I have the utmost respect for.

[TrigunVS]

Do not race with DEGA PRO server on Sierra when Rusty Wallace #66 is admin. He will eject you for being faster than he is.

I went racing there once got ejected just because i had a 24 car.

[Volker Hackmann]

The latest 'retard of the week' quote goes to:

There aint no way Volker can get a 189mph lap there at Lowes with your
setup. I don't know who your fooling. I'll just leave it at that. But I
aint telling no one else what I've found. You can just keep thinking your
that good. Cause I know your cheating.

Sorry but this sort of crap pisses me off.

- Chris Walker [aka razorblades from Openspeedway]

[MILLERLITE_2]

Lollersaurus

[Richard Towler]

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/6031/stophackingvolkeruk7.jpg

[JnPrather]

comeon Volker, how can you live with yourself, shattering the hopes and dreams of all the people that decide they're fast and also an expert on everything before they even start playing the game??

[Kevin King]

Nice sig Rich! I like it a lot.

[Wolfy22]

at least i am in touch with the fact that i just aint too good at this online racing thing. im not gonna flip out because people go faster then me and turn around and say: HACK!!!!

[FURY3]

54 cloudy doing 201 is not unheard of it wasent 69 72 or 79 like ya said in lobbie.. and it was a practice wasent even a race so why would i need to cheat in a practice ya lost me bro ...thomas the day i start cheating its time to do some thing else...

[FURY3]

54 cloudy doing 201 is not unheard of it was not 69 or 72 or 79 like ya said in lobbie man you fly off and dont think or look ...

[Alexander_Thoms]

Ah ok, now it was cloudy. Tomorrow you prolly say it was a different track version with more grip. Come on?? And why wouldn't you cheat in practice? From my experience most people use practice just for one reason and that is indeed HOTLAPPING...

It was at 68 degrees clear at Lowes. And you drove 201 mph without draft on backstretch. No way you can do that unless you cheat. A shame i forgot to save the replay, i would have had better arguments. But it's okay, i know you cheated and hopefully you won't do it again...

Enough said, i have better things to do!

[FURY3]

man dont know what ya on that was a league practice im a member it was 54 cloudy ya simple minded hot headed what ever.....

[Mikie Race]

As you may or may not have heard, I have this list, of hackers or cheaters, that was not suppose to go to me but I intercepted it. And You would be amazed at who is on this list and how many.....I won't tell anyone who is on it so please don't ask, But I have lost a lot of respect for those who are on it. And thats all I will say:cry:

[Richard Towler]

As you may or may not have heard, I have this list, of hackers or cheaters, that was not suppose to go to me but I intercepted it. And You would be amazed at who is on this list and how many.....I won't tell anyone who is on it so please don't ask, But I have lost a lot of respect for those who are on it. And thats all I will say:cry:

you mean this list?

Derek Wood
Steve Sheehan
Tyler Hudson
John Gorlinsky
Ray Alfalla
Dave Vincent
Bill Dorsey
Kevin King
Mike Ramsden
John Prather
Steven Steffen
Bob Bryant
Mat Chafe
Bryan Mooney
Tim Johnston
Mark Nobel
Jason Vannatta
Dale Earnhardt, Jr.
TJ Majors
Jeff Shrewsberry

They maybe some tools on the above list, but they're no hacks :) I'm sick of people posting the whole 'hey i have a list of hacks, and i'm not posting it crap' just fucking post it so there's no bullshit. If you want to see the truth about that list so everyone can stop jacking off about it, go here > http://www.ladderol.com/misc/mcgrane/

[Mikie Race]

Its a different list I have but it makes no difference to me, Its just sad that a great sim like n2003 is being ruined by those that do. Furthermore, I only know of two that flat out admitted to me they cheat, I can't say proof positive about any other, There will always be hacks and cheats so I guess I have to just get over it. Why anyone would want to is beyond me cause in reality If you race in real this sim helps you, why cheat then, unless of course they have no intention to race in real. Its almost like aids ...why? You only hinder yourself if you have a dream to race in real. just my opinion :)

[Richard Towler]

Its a different list I have but it makes no difference to me, Its just sad that a great sim like n2003 is being ruined by those that do. Furthermore, I only know of two that flat out admitted to me they cheat, I can't say proof positive about any other, There will always be hacks and cheats so I guess I have to just get over it. Why anyone would want to is beyond me cause in reality If you race in real this sim helps you, why cheat then, unless of course they have no intention to race in real. Its almost like aids ...why? You only hinder yourself if you have a dream to race in real. just my opinion :)

Your right, but saying 'oh i have a LIST' isn't really knowing a bunch of cheaters is it, i mean just because someone makes a list doesn't make that list true. I could make a list now i random names and say cheater.exe, but it doesn't mean any of those names are cheating.

My concern as always is, idiot makes list because he gets beat, passes list around, people like you get hold of it and than sudden the list becomes fact as you talk about it on forums whatever and you do the whole believing the list is true when it really isn't and good people get shit they don't deserve :)

[Volker Hackmann]

My concern as always is, idiot makes list because he gets beat, passes list around, people like you get hold of it and than sudden the list becomes fact as you talk about it on forums whatever and you do the whole believing the list is true when it really isn't and good people get shit they don't deserve :)
I HEARD JUNIOR SAID THAT THE CTS PHYSICS ARE THE MOST REALISTIC ONES IN THE GAME????

[Kevin King]

HAHAHAHAAHAH


http://www.dmp-racing.net/king/shiggy.jpg

http://www.setup-guru.com/members/shiggy2dope.html

[wags]

There are a few at a league that I suspect of hacking, and at one point we had Mr. Parker Hammons racing in our league and we did find him hacking and banned him, the one I suspect of hacking now is owning us at every track, every week, like he sleeps, eats, and drinks NR2003, so I am worried about this guy, and I am looking into hime right now trying to see what he is doing to hack, any suggestions?

[T Splain]

Ahh... don't worry Rich, Jeff Gordon apparently cheats too.

[Richard Towler]

Ahh... don't worry Rich, Jeff Gordon apparently cheats too.

not really sure what you mean by that, care to explain?

[Dwayne_Hall]

children, children. its just a game, dont get all worked up.

[T Splain]

Sure Rich. Whenever someone starts to win, they immediately get the "cheater" tag put on them. Like in your case. How many times have you been on a "cheater" list? LOL

[Mikie Race]

Your right, but saying 'oh i have a LIST' isn't really knowing a bunch of cheaters is it, i mean just because someone makes a list doesn't make that list true. I could make a list now i random names and say cheater.exe, but it doesn't mean any of those names are cheating.

My concern as always is, idiot makes list because he gets beat, passes list around, people like you get hold of it and than sudden the list becomes fact as you talk about it on forums whatever and you do the whole believing the list is true when it really isn't and good people get shit they don't deserve :)

I too agree with you thats why I don't put much into this dumb list i have only as I said two people admitted to useing cheat to me personally and both of them are just idiots. LMAO "Idiot makes list because he gets beat" too fkin funny. There are alot of really good dudes on n-2003 and unfortunatly there are those who have issues. Hope I didnt post something that would aid there ignorance. Peace out

[Robert Fleurke]

I don't care too much about ppl cheating or trying to cheat...ppl who cheat, cheat themselves, and are basically losers, and they know it deep inside ;)

I'm familiar with the different philosophy/mentality in the states compared to europe, where in the states creative cheating in motorsports is accepted: as long you aren't caught, you aren't cheating, while in Europe cheating is cheating, caught or not...

I have been accused of cheating as well a few times, being somehow inconsistent in my performances or having faster lap 2's in quali e.g. :twisted:

But I don't care, because I know why I'm performing like that...I'm doing this for fun, sure I like to win, but not at all costs, fairplay is even more important to me, and guys who know me, know where I come from ;)

[T Splain]

I'm familiar with the different philosophy/mentality in the states compared to europe, where in the states creative cheating in motorsports is accepted: as long you aren't caught, you aren't cheating, while in Europe cheating is cheating, caught or not...

Same here in the States. Cheating is cheating. Unfortunately, NASCAR is still catching up with the "creative cheating".

[MILLERLITE_2]

There is a difference between cheating in NASCAR and cheating in N2003.

In NASCAR, the cars are going through inspection all the time, and it's difficult to do much to the cars. Which is why you hear of crew chiefs "extending the box", as they know it's a constant battle of officials looking out for cheats.

In this game, there isn't really any reliable cheat protection, so it becomes a deal of integrity. Also, the hacks in the game are different as they can actually change grip and weather, where as in real life it's only things in the car.

[Mears Racing]

I wish I was fast enough to be on a cheat list! :cry:

[Webguy]

Parker Hammons was caught cheeting in our server last night. I have a replay of him turning a sharp left on the backstretch and flipping. I also have a PM where he admitted using a grip hack to wreck somebody. He also goes by the name Landon_Dill.

What ever happened to codecheck? Is there another utility like this around to search someones names?

Webguy

[Volker Hackmann]

He has been caught cheating more or less every night and on every server in the last 2 months. ;)
The site that hosted codecheck (http://www.nascarsimcentral.com/) went down about a year ago I think and never came back, and unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any site that picked it up.

[robjr80]

theres a link to code check at www.bryanrace.net

[robjr80]

we are also looking far as many new drivers as posible for our league before sierra shuts down so if interested mail bryan while your there.

[sneaky]

What does code check do exactly? The one program I've seen work (but who actually knows how well? <BG>) was race inspector. A league I was in started using it.... Suddenly drivers quit... and they were the ones winning! Who'd thought! Are there any good leagues left that use this? I don't mind getting beat....heck, I expect to lose more than I win, but I'd like to make sure the playing field is level!

[Volker Hackmann]

Codecheck is not an anti-cheat software; it is basically a database that contains information about which Sierra accounts have been used with which CD keys and vice versa. This allows everyone to find out who a driver that uses a random nick name and appears to be dodgy actually is.

Thanks a lot for the new link btw. :)

[robjr80]

no problem your welcome

[trivial]

I don't think codecheck works any more. Certainly not new ones. I just tried several id's and the only one it found was last used in 01/2006.

Anyway, come August, it won't matter :(

[tjk2124]

trivial,

I'm out of the loop a little, but what is coming in august. Please don't laugh if this sounds like a dump question. I hate to read and I just don't keep up with the sim racing news.

[Volker Hackmann]

trivial,

I'm out of the loop a little, but what is coming in august. Please don't laugh if this sounds like a dump question. I hate to read and I just don't keep up with the sim racing news.
The Sierra multiplayer lobby will be closed on August 16th.
http://www.sierra.com/en/home/news/product_news/071607_-_sierra_heritage.html

[Claudio Rondeico]

The Sierra multiplayer lobby will be closed on August 16th.
http://www.sierra.com/en/home/news/product_news/071607_-_sierra_heritage.html

There's a petition thread on Sierra forums. Let's sign it.
http://forums.vugames.com/thread.jspa?threadID=51164&start=0&tstart=0

[DEACON]

What are the signs of cheating? i am just returning to nascar after a few year brake

[Alexander_Thoms]

In general i would say, that unrealistic laptimes is a sign (after a few years the top drivers have set a "limit" on each track). Also unrealistic high corner and straightaway speeds or an impossible acceleration can show you that something is wrong. I think you can also see in the program replay analizer if someone uses the so called "weather cheat" in case you get his replay (you can also see corner g-forces etc. with that program i think). I might be wrong on that...

[firenflames]

54 cloudy doing 201 is not unheard of it wasent 69 72 or 79 like ya said in lobbie.. and it was a practice wasent even a race so why would i need to cheat in a practice ya lost me bro ...thomas the day i start cheating its time to do some thing else...

i also witnessed fury3 cheat

[Alexander_Thoms]

I found another hack 3 or 4 days ago at a sierra pocono race. funny to see how he lifted on the frontstretch to make it not look like a hack. In the end he still wasn't able to beat me even with 10 mph more speed on every straight :heesygrin.

Or is anyone able to run 185 mph on the s/f line at pocono in race trim at 70 clear conditions?? :eek:

[kjh3000]

Is there anyone who knows of Rfactor cheats.There is a guy in my leage that is supose to be brand new to Rfactor and is dominating frm the gitgo

[blinkerhello]

hey..just because god gave these guys the ability to feel the limit thru springs and electric motors..DOES NOT mean they cheat..these guys can feel the binary code that makes up the limit,they are very good

[Johne Martin]

He has been caught cheating more or less every night and on every server in the last 2 months. ;)
The site that hosted codecheck (http://www.nascarsimcentral.com/) went down about a year ago I think and never came back, and unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any site that picked it up.

I've been reading all the threads about "Cheating". (Hacking) I'm with the NSRO, and we have "suspected" hackers. It's one thing to have 10-15 drivers within 1 sec of each other (actually it's alot closer than that. 1/100's, and 1/10th's) , yet the pole sitter is 5 mph faster than those 10-15 drivers. The track was "Infineon". Pole sitter ran away it. Darn near lapped the field. At Watkins Glenn, same thing. Postion's 2 thru 12 were a scant .700's of each other, yet the same guy was 4 mph faster than the field. He lapped the field with "no yellow's". I've seen where these so called "hackers" can be caught on "replay analizer", I just havn't been able to use it properly. Any help from anyone would be great. (I finish'ed 7th by the way, I had a great run at the Glenn, lmao) Thanks all of you. For the "set up" help, and the info I get from here.

John

[Volker Hackmann]

Calling that guy a hack is just plain ridiculous to say the least, the whole field is more than 4 seconds off what would be a good lap time, so it is obviously easy for someone who is 'only' 2 or 3 seconds off to win by miles.

Sounds like the good old Sierra rule, anyone that runs under 1:14 on both RCs must be hacking, eh?

[Richard Towler]

1:10's in qual and 1:11's in races have been pretty much run now for 2 years or so, as Volker says just because the field isn't strong doesn't mean the guys that are winning are hacking. If myself, volker or any number of pretty good guys ran that race they would of lapped everyone too, including the guy that won the race judging by the times run.

[Johne Martin]

Thanks for the reply's. I still don't feel real good about the answers. I realize some people have the ability to drive alot better than others. I can accept that 100%. There are other factors and scenerio's that happend in the two race's in question. I simply mention'd the one. There are situations that occured in the race's which made us suspect something other than good driving, and good set ups that allowed for a "blow out" victory.

[Richard Towler]

But if your already suspecting the guys for false reasons, just because they are faster than people in the league. Than basically your going to look for every small thing to prove that they are hacking.

I've been in a few small leagues, that when convinced for false reasons that you are hacking go out of there way to find every little thing that happends find something in that to inforce that view.

in the league that i ran over the weekend, if 1:14 would of been like 15/20th place on the grid at the most.

I'm guessing you saw there car do something strong one time, like nose dip one side, warp, cut the chicane, had a strange slide, or whatever.

[Alexander_Thoms]

Maybe you can upload the replay of the case (dont know if it's possible here??) and then we could take a closer look at it.

[Johne Martin]

Maybe you can upload the replay of the case (dont know if it's possible here??) and then we could take a closer look at it.

Ok, that's a start. I don't have the replay "here", (I'm at work. lmao) I have the replay saved on my "race" computer at my home. I'll get back to you on that. Thank you kindly for the input Mr Thomas. Really appreciated.

[Alexander_Thoms]

Mr. Thoms please :heesygrin

[Johne Martin]

Mr. Thoms please :heesygrin

Oops.. sorry for the mispelled last name partner. (lmao) Thoms it is..:lol:

[D_Papa]

Hey all,
I have been racing for 10+ years online and I'm a mid pack runner. But I have some "suspicions" about a couple of guys in the league I race in. They don't win all the races, but their on track performance is almost unrealistic. I've brought my concerns to the head honcho of the league and he refuses to believe or accept the possibility that someone might be cheating and refuses to investigate it at all. These are my reasons for having my suspicions....1) tire wear...when almost completely through a fuel run, some guys are still turning almost the same lap times as the beginning of the run (on tracks that there is no possible way to do that). 2) damage after a crash...some guys hit the wall numerous times, suffer damage, but can still win the race, without losing speed on the track. 3) grip (this is my area of main concern)...some guys can get into a corner hot, and still get off the corner with tremendous speed without pushing or spinning. 4) pitting speed...some guys can pit at a faster than pit road speed by a mile or two and sometines 3.
Are my suspicions worth having? Is there anything I can do to find out if someone is cheating? This is a very serious inquiry so please give me some ideas. Thanks!

D_Papa
Thunder Road Motorsports
Driver of the #2 MGD Dodge

[Alexander_Thoms]

Hmmm, i don't know. It's pretty hard to find cheaters in my opinion. You can use the program replay analyzer. Or you can ask the league admin to demand replays from the suspects to check them in replay analyzer.

But in all in all it's pretty difficult for an outside person to judge in your case as we don't know what the racing conditions (competition level, race settings etc.) are in your league. :confused:

About on track performance which is almost unrealistic in your words. You should watch a race at ASCORS or ESCORS to get a feeling what is possible with the game. They certainly will beat your suspects in your league without a problem.

But again, the best idea in my opinion is that the admins in your league should demand replays from the "hackers" and put them into replay ananalyzer.

[D_Papa]

I agree about the admin getting involved, but it seems like ours wants to bury their heads in the sand and not deal with it. That's why I'm trying to find something to do a little investigating on my own. I will not accuse anyone of cheating unless I have hard facts and proof.

[Claudio Rondeico]

I agree about the admin getting involved, but it seems like ours wants to bury their heads in the sand and not deal with it. That's why I'm trying to find something to do a little investigating on my own. I will not accuse anyone of cheating unless I have hard facts and proof.

You may ask some suspicious guys to send their replay files after the race (a small section of it is fine), pick drivers "randomly". Cheaters usually refuse to send their replay files, they'll always have an excuse to not doing so. This is a lead.

[trivial]

Cheating ... what is cheating?

I always find it odd how figuring out game cheats is acceptable in every form of online gaming except racing. I find that at once both contradictory and sympathetic.

To me, the conflict is in where to draw the line of realism. If the end game is to win, then hacking N2003 is merely finding a better way to use your equipment. I say kudos to those smarter than me.

Is a guy who cheats by hacking really stealing from the racing gods?

One of the reasons I dislike fixed setups so much is because the sim is so real that the setup chosen will fit some styles more than others. Why is that acceptable? Do you know where those setups came from? Eight years ago, some simple minded programmer in an office in Boston had to come up with starter sets for a game so he drove some laps. Tell me you think all the default setups for every track are the same, that they follow the same physics principles.

So, the rest of the world has to drive what someone else thought was the right way to set up a basic car? I say to that type of submission … blow me.

Why is the talent to use s/w only restricted to racing on the track. In real life doesn’t an engineer’s talent mean anything?

You think Doug Yates gets chastised because he can find a few more horsepower than some young gun fresh out of Detroit? Real life NASCAR is all about winning, about pushing that envelope. And face it, if you had to race at a track where they not only mandated the gear ratios but the told you what the RF tire pressure had to be, we could count on you to hack something as well : )

Why is using 6/-2 caster acceptable? Just because the game allows it? We use to cut the grass like no one’s business on Hawaii. Papyrus put a stop to it but now they’re gone. Does that still make it right? Or wrong?

Someone just should us how to literally fly threw the chicane at the Glen. If the game were real enough their cars would have been destroyed. They’d have gotten a BF for aggressive driving : )

Is it cheating to spend thousands more on computers and wheel/pedals than most can afford? Is it cheating when a kid in school, living at home, can spend 100s of hours tooling his craft only to abuse those who work for a living? Is it cheating when you hit CTL+R or use high chase mode on pit road. Is it cheating when some guys have shifters that allow then to shift down from 4th directly to 2nd? Do you know how many races I lost to just that neat little feature?

Now ask yourself honestly, is it cheating if you use ALL of your computer resources to the best of your ability?

Everyone has what they consider a line to draw. Of course you do. It’s in your own DNA. And the general public opinion is to use the game the way it was intended.

But you can’t say make it like real life. If you do that, everyone should hack as much as they can. If you get got you lose points. But you don’t get banned forever in real life.

The NASCAR rule book is built on catching cheaters, on making revisions based on teams exploiting the gray areas. Always has been, always will. We got guys who have given themselves and their time for designing incredible new tracks, new paint schemes. Why aren’t people working as hard to prevent hacking?

Because no one cares enough.

Racing online should be no different than real life. If hacking wasn’t such a stigmatism in online racing the general public would know a lot more about it, and I would wager people would have developed ways to diminish it. By keeping it in the dark, you allow it and all its fears to flourish.

All in all, you will never stop hacking. You will never know who the best hackers are. And more importantly, you don’t have to be the fastest to be hacking. I think people complaining about hacking only when they get their butts handed to them says more about jealousy and greed than the purity of racing.

My friends and I have been racing since Hawaii. That’s 12+ years. Today, the ONLY time I wonder about someone has nothing to do with how fast they are. It has everything to do with racing etiquette. If you see someone with a fast car, but they don’t seem to have a clue how to drive under caution, where pit road is, or why turns are less forgiving then driving straight, then worry, my friend.

I, for one, am generally apposed to hacking. But probably not for the reasons you may suspect. The reason is, I am very fast, not the best but I’ll make you look. And I have been given setups from some of the fastest ever to race online and I can’t drive their setups for s***

So, until then, or until you learn what you’re computer can do for you, it’s all trivial
: )

Ps. Watch my favorite example of hacking; South Park, episode 1008, “Make Love, Not Warcraft (http://www.southparkx.net/episodes/1008-make-love-not-warcraft)”. Simply brilliant.

[Richard Towler]

I, for one, am generally apposed to hacking. But probably not for the reasons you may suspect. The reason is, I am very fast, not the best but I’ll make you look. And I have been given setups from some of the fastest ever to race online and I can’t drive their setups for s***

So, until then, or until you learn what you’re computer can do for you, it’s all trivial
: )

.

I'm not sure what you mean by this, with the rest of the post. Do you mean that these guys are running cheater setups because you can't drive them, so the guy driving the setup must be hacking to drive them? or just because you can't drive the settings you consider unrealistic?

[Sandeep Banerjee]

So, the rest of the world has to drive what someone else thought was the right way to set up a basic car? I say to that type of submission … blow me.
Stop doing pick-up races. ;)



Why is the talent to use s/w only restricted to racing on the track. In real life doesn’t an engineer’s talent mean anything?

You think Doug Yates gets chastised because he can find a few more horsepower than some young gun fresh out of Detroit? Real life NASCAR is all about winning, about pushing that envelope. And face it, if you had to race at a track where they not only mandated the gear ratios but the told you what the RF tire pressure had to be, we could count on you to hack something as well : )

Why is using 6/-2 caster acceptable? Just because the game allows it? We use to cut the grass like no one’s business on Hawaii. Papyrus put a stop to it but now they’re gone. Does that still make it right? Or wrong?

Someone just should us how to literally fly threw the chicane at the Glen. If the game were real enough their cars would have been destroyed. They’d have gotten a BF for aggressive driving : )
But you're failing to see that things like 6/-2 caster are options that anyone can access and can use. Just like in real life, you use the options legally available to every user of N2003 to your best advantage. But hacking the code to get more HP and things like that are not.


Is it cheating to spend thousands more on computers and wheel/pedals than most can afford? Is it cheating when some guys have shifters that allow then to shift down from 4th directly to 2nd? Do you know how many races I lost to just that neat little feature?

Now ask yourself honestly, is it cheating if you use ALL of your computer resources to the best of your ability?
Expensive wheel/pedal systems are the equivalent of a shaker-rig in real-life, in that its not something you need to win races, but it damn sure helps a little bit. But guys like Towler and Hackmann have been winning races even back when they used to run their MS Sidewinder wheels and still are, with their BRDs and what not.



Everyone has what they consider a line to draw. Of course you do. It’s in your own DNA. And the general public opinion is to use the game the way it was intended.

But you can’t say make it like real life. If you do that, everyone should hack as much as they can. If you get got you lose points. But you don’t get banned forever in real life.

The NASCAR rule book is built on catching cheaters, on making revisions based on teams exploiting the gray areas. Always has been, always will. We got guys who have given themselves and their time for designing incredible new tracks, new paint schemes. Why aren’t people working as hard to prevent hacking?

Because no one cares enough.

Racing online should be no different than real life. If hacking wasn’t such a stigmatism in online racing the general public would know a lot more about it, and I would wager people would have developed ways to diminish it. By keeping it in the dark, you allow it and all its fears to flourish.

Here's the thing, in real-life, they make money from racing, sim-racing is something we do for personal satisfaction and nothing else. So, when someone cheats, it totally defeats the whole purpose of doing it and rightfully deserves a ban.

[trivial]

I know they're not hacking. I have to modify the setups to suit my style, and I still can't be quite as good as them.

What I'm saying is whether they are hacking or not doesn't matter. I don't consider the setups unrealistic. I just can't drive them.

Perhaps I would feel different (hacking) if I could drive them and still got beat but I can't. So hacking is futile for me.

That 'unrealistic' thing, that's another point though. It's a sim. A 'sim'. Of course something will end up being unrealistic. If it's supposed to be real life, it can't be completely. That's impossible.

But that it's computer generated realism, to me, makes it unique. From that point, none of it should be conisdered unrealistic ... including hacking.


I'm not sure what you mean by this, with the rest of the post. Do you mean that these guys are running cheater setups because you can't drive them, so the guy driving the setup must be hacking to drive them? or just because you can't drive the settings you consider unrealistic?

[trivial]

I was talking about fixed setups, not pickup racing. Two entirely different things.

Everything a hacker does is available to anyone else. You think everyone knows about evil caster? Using selective knowledge is like choosing which cliff to die off. It's all relative to one's definition of realsim in gaming.

I've heard the arugment about good drivers using poor equipment for years. You're picking apples out of a barrel blindfolded. How much better do you think they would be if all their equipment was top notch. Ask any of them if they'd turn it down : )

Financial payouts in league racing is on the rise. Using 'fun' as an exuse to 'keep it honest' is silly, to be honest. Are you saying people race for fun and don't fight over it, or loose sleep on it?

Please. What you are doing is justifying the stigma. You're taking you're right to say one talent is more valued than another. I'm saying it's all computer software related. So all of it matters.


Stop doing pick-up races.


But you're failing to see that things like 6/-2 caster are options that anyone can access and can use. Just like in real life, you use the options legally available to every user of N2003 to your best advantage. But hacking the code to get more HP and things like that are not.


Expensive wheel/pedal systems are the equivalent of a shaker-rig in real-life, in that its not something you need to win races, but it damn sure helps a little bit. But guys like Towler and Hackmann have been winning races even back when they used to run their MS Sidewinder wheels and still are, with their BRDs and what not.

Here's the thing, in real-life, they make money from racing, sim-racing is something we do for personal satisfaction and nothing else. So, when someone cheats, it totally defeats the whole purpose of doing it and rightfully deserves a ban.

[Sandeep Banerjee]

I was talking about fixed setups, not pickup racing. Two entirely different things.
I meant its mostly pick-up races that have fixed setups on, like openspeedway, etc. Also, you can choose to not race in leagues that use fixed setups instead of complaining about why you should accept what someone else thinks is the correct setup. You don't have to accept it, just race in open setup leagues and setup the car however way you like. :)

Everything a hacker does is available to anyone else. You think everyone knows about evil caster? Using selective knowledge is like choosing which cliff to die off. It's all relative to one's definition of realsim in gaming.
Again, like I said, there's a huge difference between mere setup exploits within what the game allows you and hacking the code to illegally obtain speed that the game doesn't allow you. I don't know why you are trying to put them both in the same bracket, because they're not.

I've heard the arugment about good drivers using poor equipment for years. You're picking apples out of a barrel blindfolded. How much better do you think they would be if all their equipment was top notch. Ask any of them if they'd turn it down : )
Of course they wouldn't.. neither would I if I had top equipment but my point was that fast guys will be fast regardless of their equipment.

Financial payouts in league racing is on the rise. Using 'fun' as an exuse to 'keep it honest' is silly, to be honest. Are you saying people race for fun and don't fight over it, or loose sleep on it?
Most of the top leagues I know of don't offer $$$$ payouts. Its mostly leagues that are trying to establish a name for themselves that do.

Please. What you are doing is justifying the stigma. You're taking you're right to say one talent is more valued than another. I'm saying it's all computer software related. So all of it matters.
No it doesn't, computer hacking skills should not matter, only how well you can drive the car in the sim should.

[trivial]

Just because you think you know what is 'fair' doesn't make it practical. You can't do anything about hacking so why act like it's so awful.

It's like it's a religious thing with some people...

"I hate the muslims."
"Why?"
"Cause they're wrong and they think they're right."
"But they vastly outnumber any religion on earth."
"See?"


Why do you think no one ever steps forward and lays out exactly how hackers cheat?

If you come back with some lame a$$ bla bla bla about guilt, shame, and all those horrible adjectives that so blindly ignore that it's a game to some, I won't waste any more of my time with it.

Get it, some people, hackers to you an me, laugh at you and me. They don't see your logic and you'll never see theirs.

After hours and hours skillfully designing a hack, they lap you with little effort after the hours you spent on the track. They think you're just too simple to figure out your own hack, otherwise, in their eyes, you would. And they think you are easy prey because you lay so quietly and take it.

It's human nature to degrade what we don't understand.

So degrage it. And don't loose sleep over the a$$ whuppin : )

[Sandeep Banerjee]

It's human nature to degrade what we don't understand.

LOL, so this is a philsophical thing. Does that mean I have to change my nature and embrace the hackers..?:cry:

[Richard Towler]

Just because you think you know what is 'fair' doesn't make it practical. You can't do anything about hacking so why act like it's so awful.

It's like it's a religious thing with some people...

"I hate the muslims."
"Why?"
"Cause they're wrong and they think they're right."
"But they vastly outnumber any religion on earth."
"See?"


Why do you think no one ever steps forward and lays out exactly how hackers cheat?

If you come back with some lame a$$ bla bla bla about guilt, shame, and all those horrible adjectives that so blindly ignore that it's a game to some, I won't waste any more of my time with it.

Get it, some people, hackers to you an me, laugh at you and me. They don't see your logic and you'll never see theirs.

After hours and hours skillfully designing a hack, they lap you with little effort after the hours you spent on the track. They think you're just too simple to figure out your own hack, otherwise, in their eyes, you would. And they think you are easy prey because you lay so quietly and take it.

It's human nature to degrade what we don't understand.

So degrage it. And don't loose sleep over the a$$ whuppin : )

are you like ok? i'm having my doubts. And as for your

Why do you think no one ever steps forward and lays out exactly how hackers cheat?

um yes they have :)

[D_Papa]

I'm sorry, but I don't get you Trivial. Cheating is cheating, no matter how you slice and dice it. If you change the code in the sim, you aren't playing fair. All I want to know is how to expose these cheaters. Anything in life, be it sports or business, when someone is caught cheating, they are punished somehow....penalties or monotary fines or kicked out of the sport, or go to jail and no matter what the punishment, they always get a tarnished name. To me, with all the bullshit you laid out, it sounds like you're a hacker, defending hackers, but afraid to admit you're a hacker. Of course this is just my opinion, but apparently yours is the only one that really matters.

[sk8shorty01]

"You can't do anything about hacking so why act like it's so awful."

So then with the same respect (bringing it back to the real world), you can't do anything about theft (which is cheating someone out of their money or belongings) so why make that awful??? Should we just let the theft go rampid because we can't completely stop it? No, we shouldn't, because we can control it to some extent. We can bring the rate at which it happens down, and that is the same with the hacking. All the time people are trying to find new ways to catch hackers, and at the same time the hackers are coming up with new hacks to stay one step ahead.

Another great example of this would be using "performance enhancers" in the MLB. Sure, it happens, probably more than any of us know, but does that make it right? Because its going to happen no matter what we try to do about it, should we just give up and let it take over someone that is sacred and fair to someone? Never, that is not the way to handle something. Those professionals are punished (with fines and suspensions) when they are caught, and the same should be done for hackers. Both are using something that enhances the performance of their game past the level of natural human ability. Those people are using these "cheats" as a way to beat the "prey", as you called them, because of an unfair advantage.

Making a setup to suit your driving style is not cheating, as long as it is within the normal guidelines of the game. This is a strategy move, and that plays a major part in every sport. You are using your knowledge to form a game plan is just using your best guess and seeing if you can come up with something that works better than the original setup. It is no different than short pitting at the Glen, and hoping that the runs fall your way. It is all strategy that is within the games normal paly, hacking reaches past those bounds and is changing the game in a way that creats a huge advantage on your part.

Don't try and justify hacking because it is not right, fair, or the correct way to win a game. Why not try to better yourself and learn how to play the game, rather than shortcutting and just "fixing" your lack of ability?

[trivial]

are you like ok? i'm having my doubts. And as for your

Why do you think no one ever steps forward and lays out exactly how hackers cheat?

um yes they have :)

um, no they haven't
Richard, if they had i'd know about it : )
just saying its some memory hack isn't what i'm talking about


look, i want hack free racing just like the next guy
but it aint happenin

all i'm saying is i dont give it myth status taped up with with hate and spite

[trivial]

Junior Johnson was THE biggest hacker ever in NASCAR and he is a beloved legend
Half the rule book exist today because of him

Darrel Waltrip used to drop gravel out the bottom of his car then run a different line

So dont sit there and say cheaters are bad

If you cheer for a NASCAR driver you are rooting for somoene who cheats as much as he can get away with


I'm sorry, but I don't get you Trivial. Cheating is cheating, no matter how you slice and dice it. If you change the code in the sim, you aren't playing fair. All I want to know is how to expose these cheaters. Anything in life, be it sports or business, when someone is caught cheating, they are punished somehow....penalties or monotary fines or kicked out of the sport, or go to jail and no matter what the punishment, they always get a tarnished name. To me, with all the bullshit you laid out, it sounds like you're a hacker, defending hackers, but afraid to admit you're a hacker. Of course this is just my opinion, but apparently yours is the only one that really matters.

[D_Papa]

If you cheer for a NASCAR driver you are rooting for somoene who cheats as much as he can get away with

And thats the rub......UNTIL they get caught......... if they don't get caught, they're lucky (but still cheaters)......but when they do they do get caught, they get punished.........ex: Jimmie Johnsons team, Jeff Gordons team, ect., ect. and I don't cheer for any of them. They are cheaters.........and they have been punished! How old are you, to be so naive? And it should be the same for sim racers. I have a question for you.........how do you know that hackers aren't being caught? Is it because you're a hacker and no one has seen through your bullshit yet? You didn't even address that from my other post. Do you think if you avoid the implication it will just go away? I have serious doubts about you and I hope I never have the "privilage" of being on the track with you. Oh and btw, Waltrip never dropped gravel out of his car........it was sand and I can't stand him ever since I found out he cheated his way to some of his wins and good finishes!

[trivial]

Yeah, but they don't get banned for life, they don't even have wins taken from them.
It is not the same for sim racers, and you know it.

I don't hack, I don't have to, but I know some who do, and it doesn't get me all bent out of shape. Tell me who is your favorite driver and I'll find somehwere where they have cheated.

You're ignoring the whole point of this, which is why I am stating these opinions in the first place.

Would you give a crap if hacking was like using driving aids, having little or no affect? I'll bet you wouldn't. You'd just call him a bad hacker.

If I'm a hacker, you're a jealous greedy guy who just wants to win ... Doesn't sound nice does it? What you won't understand is that people who hack games generally do not do it just to piss you off. It has nothing to do with you.

It's not revenge, or spite, or wanting to win a NASCAR sim race so bad they can't do it any other way. They spend hours on hacking for the same reasons we spend hours in a 'garage'. It's what they get satisfaction from.

The reason people hate hackers is becasue they don't understand them. You think someone hacking a computer thinks just like you. I'm trying to explain that just isn't so. I think that's where people get so tripped up at this issue.

To you and me they are hacking, to them we are just pawns in their hack.

I never said it was right, but I honestly can't hate someone that does it. To some degree, I admire the effort.

I've been around computers my whole life. I deal with this all the time, not just with gaming.

Some of the best, kindest, generous people in the world happen to like hacking games.

Tell me you've never cheated at anything ... cast that stone pal : )


And thats the rub......UNTIL they get caught......... if they don't get caught, they're lucky (but still cheaters)......but when they do they do get caught, they get punished.........ex: Jimmie Johnsons team, Jeff Gordons team, ect., ect. and I don't cheer for any of them. They are cheaters.........and they have been punished! How old are you, to be so naive? And it should be the same for sim racers. I have a question for you.........how do you know that hackers aren't being caught? Is it because you're a hacker and no one has seen through your bullshit yet? You didn't even address that from my other post. Do you think if you avoid the implication it will just go away? I have serious doubts about you and I hope I never have the "privilage" of being on the track with you. Oh and btw, Waltrip never dropped gravel out of his car........it was sand and I can't stand him ever since I found out he cheated his way to some of his wins and good finishes!

[Richard Towler]

um, no they haven't
Richard, if they had i'd know about it : )
just saying its some memory hack isn't what i'm talking about


look, i want hack free racing just like the next guy
but it aint happenin

all i'm saying is i dont give it myth status taped up with with hate and spite

yes they have, and maybe you just don't know that they have.

Here is a quick run down.

Memory Hacking, this means that someone is using a program that alters values in the memory as the game is running. There is a very common weather hack that changes the weather to custom values that the program gives you. So if the weather is 75 clear, you can edit this to 55 clear, or 55 cloudy or whatever. Another method used to hack memory is common game cheater programs where you can search for specific values within the memory and edit them, to give you more power, more grip or whatever you can find to edit.

EXE hacking, same as above really, your just opening the exe and finding the values that you know relate to engine power, grip etc

You can edit anything in the game you want, I don't see how its all magical and secret like your saying it is. Its pretty simple.

[trivial]

Knowing that's the end game and knowing how to do it are entirely two different animals : )

yes they have, and maybe you just don't know that they have.

Here is a quick run down.

Memory Hacking, this means that someone is using a program that alters values in the memory as the game is running. There is a very common weather hack that changes the weather to custom values that the program gives you. So if the weather is 75 clear, you can edit this to 55 clear, or 55 cloudy or whatever. Another method used to hack memory is common game cheater programs where you can search for specific values within the memory and edit them, to give you more power, more grip or whatever you can find to edit.

EXE hacking, same as above really, your just opening the exe and finding the values that you know relate to engine power, grip etc

You can edit anything in the game you want, I don't see how its all magical and secret like your saying it is. Its pretty simple.

[Richard Towler]

But i've said how you do it, i don't know how to program the software that allows hacking if thats what your after. I'm not sure what more you want, it kinda sounds like you want a step by step guide to hacking yourself?

[D_Papa]

Tell me who is your favorite driver and I'll find somehwere where they have cheated.


Tell me you've never cheated at anything ... cast that stone pal : )

Rusty Wallace

I have never cheated at anything in my entire life, I pride myself in being an honest, caring person. I've been that way for 50 years. But apparently you have cheated at something in your life, otherwise you wouldn't have made that statement.

[trivial]

Wallace is one of my all time favorite drivers but like anyone else ...

Billy Wilburn, crew chief, Penske Racing South (#2 Rusty Wallace), October 2002, Talladega, unapproved spoiler, $25,000 and 25 race points

Robin Pemberton, crew chief, Penske Racing South (#2 Rusty Wallace), May 1996, Sears Point Raceway, car too low, $25,000.

Robin Pemberton, Penske Racing South (#2 Rusty Wallace), July 1995, Pocono International Speedway, unapproved roof flaps, $20,000.

Absolutely I have cheated on some things in my life. I ain't no saint. But at least I'm man enough to admit it.

Rusty Wallace

I have never cheated at anything in my entire life, I pride myself in being an honest, caring person. I've been that way for 50 years. But apparently you have cheated at something in your life, otherwise you wouldn't have made that statement.

[D_Papa]

And Rusty had nothing to do with any of those, but Waltrip did...he had to pull a lever to release the sand. Rusty's team got punished and Nascar has a way of policing after they find a cheat. In sim racing the policing is much, much harder, so the cheaters get punished by being banned. Also, you keep calling this a game....it's a simulation, not a game..........the hackers can hack games all they want, that doesn't bother me.........but leave our sport alone or better yet....stay out of it, if you can't play fair! And as for being man enough to say you've cheated at things in life, well good for you. I'm man enough to say I don't cheat, never have, and never will!
It's been an interesting conversation, but I've had enough of your pysco babble. Have fun with your end of the conversation Towler, lol.

[JnPrather]

Trivial,

You make a good point that is lost on alot of people in sim racing, except i'm pretty sure you'd think it was absurd if someone showed up with a modified .EXE and flew around at 400mph everywhere and said "well, i'm just being realistic".

At any rate, you're missing one very large point... Just as realistic as "trying to find any way to get ahead" is, so is "the community/sanctioning body coming together to try to prevent it", which is exactly what threads like these are trying to do. Figuring out a way to detect/prevent what the community (as a whole) deems as unfair/cheating is just as much of the "realistic" process of things as anything... By the logic you are using, NASCAR shouldn't be allowed to make or enforce any rules, and should just realize that suspending chad knaus hard every season is unrealistic.

It's like it's a religious thing with some people...

"I hate the muslims."
"Why?"
"Cause they're wrong and they think they're right."
"But they vastly outnumber any religion on earth."
"See?"

um... islam doesn't "vastly outnumber" any of the worlds major religions, and is fact smaller than Christianity by about 800 million people...

A league I was in started using it.... Suddenly drivers quit... and they were the ones winning! Who'd thought!

Race Inspector is a complete pile of garbage.

[riviera71]

JnPrather,

please check your pm's :)

[JnPrather]

JnPrather,

please check your pm's :)

replied with force...

[Mikie_Race]

Guys, we race at watsonville ca dirt track where "Ernie Irvin cut his teeth" in the American Stock to some its the Hobby Stock (cody and Austin Burke) and in two years of doing this even at this grass roots level cheating is a fact of life we don't do it at least by the rules within the rules we don't but within those rules are huge loopholes and believe me they are exploited and its frustrating Fortunatly Cody has enormous talent and he proves that week in week out with a under powered race car (crate motor and 194 heads) everyone else has 202 heads..tecinaccly illegal but then they can't dq all those drivers....Not to brag on the Lad but he has shown all of us something here.....Its not just how fast its driver ability and Handling...somethin My Dad told me years ago .....that being said we did get dqued twice and it will cost cody the champianship these dqs were not race enhancing cheats only longivity i.e. nuts instead of bolts on connecting rods.....but it was in the rules so that makes us a cheater it suks cause we know where not. But more important is the respect that these old timers have for our race team The Boys are singlehandinly changing this series by making a standard and more and more are comin on board the Burke Racing way of doing it. with integrity and pride....we will never see the end of cheating in this sport but we can hold our head high...talent will win in the end. BTW you guys have excellent comments all of you. Mikie Race

[Mikie_Race]

except you John Prather lol J/k sup JP

[JnPrather]

except you John Prather lol J/k sup JP

love you too! :smile:

[blinkerhello]

sierra made it pretty damn easy to hack the physics,cup cars 4 gears,trans am 6 gears....hex offset????i cant say....0600....0400?pretty simple fo42?anyone know what im saying....but sierra servers catch this so most people cannot cheat this way...the bottom line is youll never know whos cheating or catch who is because its the differences you just cant notice,1 tenth or 2tenths is just not enough to condemn someone,you can always just wonder

[jmacone]

It's good to see Dom that I am not the only one who thinks people are cheating in our league

[jmacone]

How can I run behind another car, right in his tire tracks and keep up with him for 15-20 laps; then he just drives away? Am I doing something wrong?? Or is there a cheat in effect? It has been driving me crazy for a year and a half.

[Volker Hackmann]

How can I run behind another car, right in his tire tracks and keep up with him for 15-20 laps; then he just drives away?
What about this scenario, which is the most likely one:
The guy you're following is simply a better driver and could therefore run faster lap times (let's say 0.2 seconds). However, he decides to save his stuff whereas you have to run hard(er) in order to keep up with him. After 20 laps, he has a nice tire advantage as well as being faster anyway, which sums up to about 0.4 seconds, and that's enough to check out at pretty much every track.

[mustanger]

Yeah, I agree with Volker. There have been a lot of times where I could overdrive the crap outta my car, and keep up with guys who were faster. In the end, my car would be used up, and the fast guys would all drive away. You can see this a lot on tracks where you have to pace yourself, such as Atlanta or Darlington. If you run your RF tire off at Atlanta 15 laps into a run, you will be much slower at the end than the guys who saved their equipment.

Setup is 80-90 percent of running competetively, the rest is driving the car to take advantage of that setup.

As far as cheating is concerned, I had figured that at this point in the game's life that the cheaters would have been weeded out. I am rather saddened to hear that it is still going strong.

[jmacone]

What about this scenario, which is the most likely one:
The guy you're following is simply a better driver and could therefore run faster lap times (let's say 0.2 seconds). However, he decides to save his stuff whereas you have to run hard(er) in order to keep up with him. After 20 laps, he has a nice tire advantage as well as being faster anyway, which sums up to about 0.4 seconds, and that's enough to check out at pretty much every track.

I should have clarified myself; I am running in a fixed setup league and I am running in the tires tracks of other guys who run away from me after 15-20 laps. And in addition, the one guy got 15 extra laps of fuel at Bristol than the rest of the field....

[blinkerhello]

maybe he is just so good that he can coast around the whole track,i know once you get into the draft at bristol you can save alot of fuel also...on fixed setup and you keep up with someone no one could drive bad enough to make there tires give up 4 tenths to even the most magical "driver"....if tires to give out just dive in deep and bump him so you can be even or get him behind you and block.....

[Thiago Moya]

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This post made is Harassment, please remove, thank you.



This is harassment, and should be dealt with, and other people that postted comments in this topic.


"Oh, Please remove posts"

bla bla bla :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[RazorBlades]

The latest 'retard of the week' quote goes to:

Funny volker, prior to my email to you in private I asked a simple question. That was for a replay to show me you doing the same laps you do in the league you were in. I got no response. That to me, only means one thing. Anyone else can guess what i'm thinking. A simple flipping replay was asked. Easy to do for anyone asking. unless you have something to hide Volker.

[Volker Hackmann]

You NEVER asked me about that.

On May 31st, I got this by PM (VO forum):
wanted to ask you a question on your Lowes setup

What is your 4th gear ratio? Can you tell me that for your Lowe's Night setup you ran this week. Thanks. I'm topped out at 194mph entering turn one. I see somehow you are getting 196mph. I'd like to know the difference in my ratio to yours.

Thanks for this info on your final ratio 4th gear is at.

Chris Walker

And replied on the same day:
Hi Chris,
I used the setups I posted, which means that the final ratio was 3.625 in race trim and 3.750 in qual. I reckon that our speeds were different because I got out of turn 4 faster than you did.

Volker

Then, on June 1st, I got your nice e-mail, which I can quote again of course:
There aint no way Volker can get a 189mph lap there at Lowes with your
setup. I don't know who your fooling. I'll just leave it at that. But I
aint telling no one else what I've found. You can just keep thinking your
that good. Cause I know your cheating.

Sorry but this sort of crap pisses me off.

- Chris Walker

That's the whole correspondence between us in the months of May and June of 2007. So...
Funny volker, prior to my email to you in private I asked a simple question. That was for a replay to show me you doing the same laps you do in the league you were in. I got no response.
The only question, as you can see, is about my gear ratios. You never asked for a replay. Attached to the e-mail quoted above were 2 replays of yours, of 28.9s qual laps around Lowe's, in which you compared your setup with mine according to the file names. Apparently, you were still wondering why you were slower on the straights when you wrote this e-mail - just one day after my PM by the way - and the reason was and is still the same: imperfect driving technique (entering turn 1 way too low, not getting off the gas properly at the entries, and rolling back onto it slowly instead of nailing it) means that you're a lot slower coming off the corners.

[RazorBlades]

I believe I asked you after our Darlington race in game chat on 14.05.2007. If you ignored or missed it, I don't know. After getting no acknowledgement in the server I left. Reason I asked was, on your Darlington race, your tires never seemed to fall off, like the rest of us there pitting for tires. Looking at the replay, your speed into the turn and through it seem to be faster than most there in that race. An those people had to pit for tires, even though their entry speeds were slower.

If one is going slower into the turn but there tires fall off faster leads me to question. How is someone going into the turn and through the turn faster and not having to pit. And asking for some help on it and getting it would have been nice. Which I got nothing. That's what I've always done with anyone with this game / sim that's asked. When I got no response, I was upset and thought I was cheated. Along with everyone else that races you. Why I did 2 replays, one with your setup, and one with mine. To show you, I got the same result but not your lap time. Because to maintian the speed you did on a race prior, for me matchin it, the RF tire burned out before completing the final hot lap. Maybe I implied, if I sent you something, you'd send me a replay back explaining.

To post it here was un-called for, and was also un-called for was the way in which you did it.

[Alexander_Thoms]

Volker is not hacking...he is just fast! You can believe me that Razor! I race with him in that league :smile:

[Sandeep Banerjee]

Sorry for butting in on this, but I just want to point out that a good entry into a corner is not just about what speed you're going, but also what angle of drift you're at and how little you move the steering, ie. less scrub due to smooth steering input, etc. Heck, I've been tryin to improve my entries everytime I race, and I'm still not only losing time to the Volkers and Towlers, but also wearing out my stuff faster, but that doesn't mean they hack, I just have to get better, it's that simple.

But for sure, asking for a race replay is fair game, but you should've asked him about it in a PM or e-mail rather than an in-game chat since many people tend to either ignore online chat or have it turned off while driving.

[Derek_Wood]

RazorBlades, you’re working off of the assumption that someone going faster is hurting their tires more. That is an incorrect assumption. I’ll let you figure out why.

I also don’t like how you take offense to the fact that Volker gave you no help in this one particular situation. NOBODY OWES YOU A DAM THING ON HERE. Volker is one of the most generous sim racers around, posting nearly every one of his setups for public use. Feeling upset and cheated because Volker didn’t respond to you right then and there is absolutely ridiculous and speaks volumes about your character. Further, if you want to lie about what you said to Volker in a private message so that you can make him out to be someone he isn’t, you should be prepared for him to come back and post the entire thing publicly to set the record straight.

RazorBlades, contrary to what Openspeedway has brainwashed you into believing, most of the really fast guys you see online that lap you in a 10% race are not hacking.

[Richard Towler]

I believe I asked you after our Darlington race in game chat on 14.05.2007. If you ignored or missed it, I don't know. After getting no acknowledgement in the server I left. Reason I asked was, on your Darlington race, your tires never seemed to fall off, like the rest of us there pitting for tires. Looking at the replay, your speed into the turn and through it seem to be faster than most there in that race. An those people had to pit for tires, even though their entry speeds were slower.

If one is going slower into the turn but there tires fall off faster leads me to question. How is someone going into the turn and through the turn faster and not having to pit. And asking for some help on it and getting it would have been nice. Which I got nothing. That's what I've always done with anyone with this game / sim that's asked. When I got no response, I was upset and thought I was cheated. Along with everyone else that races you. Why I did 2 replays, one with your setup, and one with mine. To show you, I got the same result but not your lap time. Because to maintian the speed you did on a race prior, for me matchin it, the RF tire burned out before completing the final hot lap. Maybe I implied, if I sent you something, you'd send me a replay back explaining.

To post it here was un-called for, and was also un-called for was the way in which you did it.

Isn't it about time you got over yourself? Keep the whole 'anyone who is better than me is a hacker act' to openspeedway servers were it fits in very nicely.

The answer is simple, your just not as good as Volker, he drives faster than you by having more skill, driving a better line, not blowing the apex, using the throttle just right etc. As derek says speed does not equal tire wear, there's many other factors involved. Look at it this way, if Volker is half a second faster than you in qualifying, running a far better line than you and driving properly he's going to only need to drive at 30% of his limit in the race. This means he can toddle around barely using any of his stuff up, running the same speed you are but as your much much closer to your limit your using your tires like Volker would if he was hot lapping. Your both going the same speed, but one is trying much less than the other.

Volker owe's you nothing, more so when you act like you do towards him.

[RazorBlades]

Alexander_Thoms:
==============
Yes he is, just stating my point why our business has to be everyone else's here. Cause in the first place it shouldn't have ever been posted.

Sandeep Banerjee:
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yes I know what you said. What I was hoping for I stated, which was maybe some help or advice. I know most times if your doing things wrong, you need someone to show you. I never say my way is 100% right, such as Towler's stating I say.

Derek_Wood:
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I never look at anyone as you stated. I if your lap time beats the best I tried at that given time. Then you put down a heck of a lap. I've never questioned lap times anywhere you've done Derek. Don't backlash openspeedway just because I race there. Yeah I might race there the most, cause it's the best place besides DMP for pick up races. I race plenty of other places, doing as well there as I do at openspeedway.

Richard Towler:
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your post is ridiculous, and is why your banned from DMP's forum.

[Volker Hackmann]

Richard Towler:
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your post is ridiculous, and is why your banned from DMP's forum.
Umm no, apart from the pic, he explained to you what Derek left out, namely this part: "RazorBlades, you’re working off of the assumption that someone going faster is hurting their tires more. That is an incorrect assumption. I’ll let you figure out why."


Alexander_Thoms:
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Yes he is, just stating my point why our business has to be everyone else's here. Cause in the first place it shouldn't have ever been posted.
Oh please...if someone talks to me in such an offensive way for no reason whatsoever, you can be sure that I'm taking care of him. I also had a look at that Darlington chat log by the way, you didn't ask me anything and actually left the server before I did.

(Chris Wa#88) grats
(Chris Wa#88) Good Race !!!!
(Thomas K#43) @#$%
This race has no ratings restrictions, so your rating information will not be adjusted by your performance in the race.
(Steffen #105) grats
Replay saved.
(Thomas K#43) mist, wär ich doch nich pitten gegengen
Michael Hamann:Client has manually disconnected.
(Chris Wa#88) love that 3rd gear grind =]
(Thomas K#43) bin an 07 nich vorbei gekommen
(Tom Blei#92) chris today you deserved a better finishing pos. - sry again
(Chris Wa#88) man that was a long race with no 3rd gear
(Tom Blei#92) yf nachdem alle lichter aus? sehr seltsam
(Chris Wa#88) good job guys on your finishing spots
(Uli Wink#12) Motor seid 1 Hälfte ziemlich lahm, naja, aber KEIN WALLRIDE!
(Tom Blei#92) hab extra gewartet, dass die meldung mit den ratings erscheint
(Steffen #105) argh war das nervig
(Chris Wa#88) catch ya's next week, or week after if there's a break
(Uli Wink#12) cu all
(Chris Wa#88) the week after that
Tom Bleicher:Client has manually disconnected.
(Chris Wa#88) l8r
(Steffen #105) schön abend noch
(Martin K#107) boah #43 gutes rennen :)
Chris Walker#40:Client has manually disconnected.
(Stefan K#37) bäh zuviel mist gebaut heute
Steffen Piplat:Client has manually disconnected.
Uli Winkelmann:Client has manually disconnected.
(Stefan K#37) nächstes mal wahrscheinlich erstmal ohne mich *g
Closing channel.
Waiting for device to disconnect.
Closing network device.
Channel closed.
--------> 2007/05/14-23:33:41

[RazorBlades]

Volker, I will post one last time to this topic since the Admins here aren't doing their job.

FACT:
========
I asked for some help from you and you provided some.

FACT:
========
I never once posted I was the standard norm for how a setup drives. For anyone one of you to accuse me of that, your calling the kettle black in my opinion. Cause with that accusation your saying you or someone else is HOLY than THOU.

FACT:
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I sent you a private email which you had two options.

1.) ignore it if it wasn't true.
2.) respond to it with a replay to back up your laps ( None of which I got )

FACT:
=======
You publicly post our private message on a global message board, call names = HARASSMENT

FACT:
========
This is something that happens 6 months ago. Little did I know you posted this here about me. So how am I to remember detailed things of that week. Some I have remembered, and some I haven't.

FACT:
========
I've had Richard Towler's picture of me REMOVED, from the imageshack,, because it's HARASSMENT. And will have his web site shut down, if he doesn't remove his picture now on his last post.

FACT:
=========
If you claim or remotely think your the best. Then why haven't I seen you on other servers, fixed or open setups? Derek, and myself have been seen on any server, anywhere. And when we are there, we are finishing just where we would anywhere else. So to say "your the best" is a understatement.

FACT:
=========
I never got a replay of proof of your qual lap times.

FACT:
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Everyone that has run my setups, anywhere, has gotten the same times I can do with them. Sometimes slightly better, which is good. Just means I have to work at how I attack the track better to improve my time.


These are all facts I can back up any time of the day. Since this game is pretty much history, aint worth my time in proving my point to you, or anyone else that belongs to this forum.

[Volker Hackmann]

FACT:
=======
I sent you a private email which you had two options.

1.) ignore it if it wasn't true.
2.) respond to it with a replay to back up your laps ( None of which I got )
And yet again: If you had simply asked for a certain replay, preferably in a 'neutral' or even polite way, you would have gotten it. In fact, I've posted one here in the Lowe's thread anyway, which you must have seen when you downloaded the setups. What you sent me though was nothing but a retarded rant full of lies ("189 mph is not possible at Lowe's", "VH is a cheater"), and did you really expect me to play nice after that? :)

FACT:
=======
You publicly post our private message on a global message board, call names = HARASSMENT
Well a few thoughts...
1. First of all, how would you consider falsefully labelling someone a cheater? What about, harassment? ;) And what about posting lies about conversations that never took place?
2. The first sentence of the e-mail is written in 3rd person view rather than adressing me directly, so I have to assume that you had already posted it elsewhere, c&p'ed it into the e-mail, and forgot to replace all of the pronouns.
3. The way you wrote the 2nd part of it can lead to the conclusion that you may actually end up posting 'what you've found'.
4. So because of points 2 and 3, I chose to take precautions and published the whole thing before you were gonna get to spread it secretly. As you see, I have nothing to hide. :D
5. And finally, your 'calling names' point...I'm sure that most people will agree that calling me a cheater is indeed a retarded statement.

FACT:
========
I've had Richard Towler's picture of me REMOVED, from the imageshack,, because it's HARASSMENT. And will have his web site shut down, if he doesn't remove his picture now on his last post.
The picture he posted is a screenshot from a video you had published yourself on youtube, all Richard did was adding a text comment, but he didn't bring up anything about you that wasn't already public anyway. Apparently, you've removed this video in the meantime, so I'm gonna respect that and do the same.
However, I would have LOVED to see you try and close web sites in Germany or the UK. ;)

FACT:
=========
If you claim or remotely think your the best. Then why haven't I seen you on other servers, fixed or open setups? Derek, and myself have been seen on any server, anywhere. And when we are there, we are finishing just where we would anywhere else. So to say "your the best" is a understatement.
I have never claimed that. Talking about Sierra, I actually used to race there quite a bit when there were still servers around that followed the cup schedule and attracted good fields of drivers, but not on the superspeedways (which you appear to prefer) as they bore me.

FACT:
=========
I never got a replay of proof of your qual lap times.
http://www.setup-guru.com/forum144/ plenty of proof there, feel free to leech all of it.

[Richard Towler]

I suggest you take your picture down of me If not, I'll have your web hosting sit shut down as well.

IP Address: 66.147.225.53
Registrant Search:"Name Removed"
Admin Name...........
Admin Address........ Admin Address........
Admin Address........ Hull
Admin Address........
Admin Address........ Yorkshire
Admin Address........ GREAT BRITAIN (UK)

I removed some of the details as there my buddies, but knowing WHOIS is not really rocket science and does not ake you an authority on the net. Now, unfortuatly for you the picture is fact, but the most important detail is you said it and i'm free to do with it whatever i want, welcome to the internet.

http://rtowler.gamefaction.com/stophackingvolkeruk7.jpg

Come on Chris, you really think calling out Volker as a cheater was a smart to do, and as for all the replays bollocks he has a replay for every single cup track that is within a very small margin of whats possible in the game. But again its something you seem to carry on refusing to accept with the whole 'but if i send my setups to people they do the same times as me' well maybe your friends blow as much as you do.

You've still not apologized to Volker for calling him a cheater, so your going to keep getting crap for it.

Just a note, the reason for the ban from DMP Forums was nothing to do with what i had posted there. Dan Denayer is just a fuckbox.

[MILLERLITE_2]

well Chris, if you're still racing in openspeedway by now, and no one has tried to kick you out for hacking, that pretty much means you're not fast enough

sorry

[Derek_Wood]

FACT:
=======
I sent you a private email which you had two options.

1.) ignore it if it wasn't true.
2.) respond to it with a replay to back up your laps ( None of which I got )
Option 1 was definitely available. But, you did not give Volker option 2, or make it apparent that thats what you wanted him to do, based on the evidence he has posted in this thread. Who taught you that accusing someone of cheating meant that they had to send you a replay to prove their innocence? In fact, I would have expected you to send me a follow up email with a replay and some math to prove what you had just claimed, not the other way around.

FACT:
=========
If you claim or remotely think your the best. Then why haven't I seen you on other servers, fixed or open setups? Derek, and myself have been seen on any server, anywhere. And when we are there, we are finishing just where we would anywhere else. So to say "your the best" is a understatement.
Are you trying to imply that Volker wouldn't finish up front in a pickup race or elsewhere even though he wins all the time in your league? What a laugh. Despite what so many people like RazorBlades think, Volker can take the setups he has posted on this Web site and finish in the top 5 in just about every race in any league or pickup server. And besides, I don't think Volker was ever trying to say that he was the best.

FACT:
=========
I never got a replay of proof of your qual lap times.
And you don't deserve one either. Why don't you prove that he is hacking?

[Thiago Moya]

well Chris, if you're still racing in openspeedway by now, and no one has tried to kick you out for hacking, that pretty much means you're not fast enough

sorry

FACT:
=========
In the looser´s face :wavey: :wavey:.

[Thiago Moya]

Derek_Wood
Fav.Setups:
Fernando Rees




Oh, dam! :eek: :eek:

[Alexander_Thoms]

Thiago you suckkkkkkkk :razz: :heesygrin I agree with your interests though :lol:

[RazorBlades]

Richard, all I have to do is make the call

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[RazorBlades]

[quote=Derek_Wood]
Are you trying to imply that Volker wouldn't finish up front in a pickup race or elsewhere even though he wins all the time in your league? What a laugh. Despite what so many people like RazorBlades think, Volker can take the setups he has posted on this Web site and finish in the top 5 in just about every race in any league or pickup server. And besides, I don't think Volker was ever trying to say that he was the best.
[quote]

No, I wasnt saying that at all Derek that he wouldn't finish top 10. I've race him, I should know. I was just asking where he'd race besides where he did or does. You and I float around to servers all the time. That's all. Nothing was implied there.

Last race Talladega he'd tell you I finished 4th to him finishing 1st.

[Richard Towler]

Richard, all I have to do is make the call

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MAKE THE CALL 76.115.51.68

[Richard Towler]

Last race Talladega he'd tell you I finished 4th to him finishing 1st.

Talladega really isn't the best example to use though is it? considering 4th = mid pack in not the most competative of leagues. Take Marty for example, your over 1 second off the pace which is HUGE for just 2 corners. Phoenix your 2 seconds off the pace, Richmond your just under 1 second off. For only a couple of corners thats a huge amount to be off the pace, so i'd really like to see the evidence that Volker is hacking please.

[RazorBlades]

You wish is my command Richard. both your site and this one will have actions taken. bye bye setup-guru. :-)

[Thiago Moya]

@ Alex, u suck too mate, like MB! :heesygrin


Last race Talladega he'd tell you I finished 4th to him finishing 1st.


http://www.vgchat.com/images/n00bies/oh_rly.jpg

[RazorBlades]

Just a note, the reason for the ban from DMP Forums was nothing to do with what i had posted there. Dan Denayer is just a fuckbox.

Oh, an one more fact:
You only posted one thing over there and got banned. LOL

[Thiago Moya]

Oh, an one more fact:
You only posted one thing over there and got banned. LOL

Another fact:

Nobody will ban you here RazorRamon (http://i19.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/93/98/0663_1_b.JPG), we appreciate some BRAWL here.

[RazorBlades]

Richard,

Well since being away for six month you sure do learn a lot about the topic writers in here. I think you were shamed enough in this topic forum post you first started.

http://www.setup-guru.com/chit-chat/16663-dmp-discussion.html?highlight=richard+towler

So, I think your words really in this post mean nothing to me. Sounds like your a wrecker to me, from what I read. LOL

[Thiago Moya]

http://www.owensworld.com/funnyimages/files/reminder_big.jpg

[RazorBlades]

And for the last fact for this topic:
=======================

I took apart one of our a league race replays. Compared Volker's RPM levels and speed obtained to what his setup "HE CLAIMS TO GIVE OUT AND LET EVERYONE USE". Well for the record, his RPM levels in the race were must higher and quicker to obtain then most running his identical setup. People hitting the same points of acceleration. SO some of you might put him on a pedestal. Franky, I personally don't.

All I can say is, let see how Volker does with the next sim to come out. Proof be in the pudding.

[Volker Hackmann]

And for the last fact for this topic:
=======================

I took apart one of our a league race replays. Compared Volker's RPM levels and speed obtained to what his setup "HE CLAIMS TO GIVE OUT AND LET EVERYONE USE". Well for the record, his RPM levels in the race were must higher and quicker to obtain then most running his identical setup. People hitting the same points of acceleration. SO some of you might put him on a pedestal. Franky, I personally don't.

All I can say is, let see how Volker does with the next sim to come out. Proof be in the pudding.
God just shut up as you have no bloody clue how NR2003, its netcode and its replay system work. FYI, the revs are NOT transmitted while racing online, neither is the gear selection nor steering input nor throttle/brake use nor engine temperatures nor a bunch of other values. The only way to obtain the revs someone hit is getting the replay he saved on his machine, whereas all other cars are outfitted with somewhat random revs (and gears and engine temperatures and so on). Furthermore, you cannot find the points of acceleration in a server replay as throttle use is not transmitted either, especially at fast speedways where the car slows down going through the corners even at full throttle.

The above post of yours alone has already disqualified you from pretty much everything that's got to do with physics, you do not even know the sheer basics.

[Volker Hackmann]

Here's a nice graph of my fastest race lap from this week's GNC Winter Series race at flat Homestead by the way (lap 73), red is my replay, blue is the server replay, SPOT THE DIFFERENCE.

http://vhackmann.homepage.t-online.de/toolbox/razorbladesphysicsexpert1.jpg

[Sandeep Banerjee]

And for the last fact for this topic:
=======================

I took apart one of our a league race replays. Compared Volker's RPM levels and speed obtained to what his setup "HE CLAIMS TO GIVE OUT AND LET EVERYONE USE". Well for the record, his RPM levels in the race were must higher and quicker to obtain then most running his identical setup. People hitting the same points of acceleration. SO some of you might put him on a pedestal. Franky, I personally don't.

All I can say is, let see how Volker does with the next sim to come out. Proof be in the pudding. Holy cow, you actually used a online replay to judge RPM peaks? Don't you know how inaccurate that is? I don't even use it as an accurate representation of what gear a guy is using because sometimes it even shows a guy's gearing to be in 1st in a slower corner like at Loudon, etc. when he's at the slowest point of the turn. So to use it to gauge accurate RPM of a driver you raced with is like using a fishnet to filter out bacteria.

[RazorBlades]

Well Duh ! Volker, Why I asked you on a private email implying I'd love to see your replay. LOL You crack me up...

Personally if I was sent a email like you recieved personally or in private. I would have sent a replay backing up my laps. and not posting something publicly. Just was stupid on your part to do so.

[Volker Hackmann]

Well Duh ! Volker, Why I asked you on a private email implying I'd love to see your replay. LOL You crack me up...
Stop lying, there was not a single question in this e-mail, only statements: 189 mph is not possible at Lowe's with the VH setup, VH is a hack, you know that I'm cheating, this sort of crap pisses you off. :)
If I wanted something from someone, I would ask him for it (yes with a question mark at the end of it), instead of harassing him with such nonsense.

Personally if I was sent a email like you recieved personally or in private. I would have sent a replay backing up my laps. and not posting something publicly. Just was stupid on your part to do so.
THERE IS A REPLAY POSTED ON THIS FORUM TO BACK UP MY GODDAMNED QUAL LAP, which is what you must have been referring to, as I can't hit 189 mph laps (28.571 seconds or faster) in race trim either. Feel free to download it, it's been here for 4 years.
Oh and I still think that it was very smart to publish the whole thing, as it is a great way to mop up a giant load of bullshit. I'm quite sure that people will react in a very different way than before if you accuse someone of hacking or do something similar again, so this whole argument is a great success in my opinion, and it's getting better the more of your ignorance you post here, so I'd like to encourage you to let it all out. :)

[RazorBlades]

"Why I asked you on a private email implying I'd love to see your replay"

If I would have gotten a email back from you with a replay, I would have appologized. To take this public was non-sense. Therfore I don't owe you appology. end of story.

[Volker Hackmann]

Do atheletes get dinged for doping before they even went to the drug test, just to have it revoked when they submit a negative test?
Are race cars declared illegal before they even went through tech inspection, and the governing body finally excuses when they actually make it through?
Are you arrested for tax evasion before you even filed your tax return?

You just cannot insult someone for no reason and then expect him to willingly proof the opposite without even asking him for it, if someone does that, he can kiss my ass and I will kick his with serious force. More so as the proof you wanted was available all the time and YOU STILL DID NOT EXPLAIN WHY YOU DID NOT SIMPLY USE IT. So I still have to assume that the replay thing is nothing but a miserable attempt to wind yourself out of the whole affair.

And to point another thing:
No you did not ASK me for a replay, nor did you let me know that you wanted one, nor did you ask me anything else in the e-mail, so stop posting this lie over and over again.

[RazorBlades]

"YOU STILL DID NOT EXPLAIN WHY YOU DID NOT SIMPLY USE IT"

As you saw I haven't logged in here to post anything in over 6 months. I rarely use this site. As for a replay, why would I want to compare something you did months ago, or years ago to something you just did a few days ago when we were racing in the same server. That's like comparing apples to oranges. A replay of the exact day a time would have been better to compare. Cause I would have known your lap time. I only, when first starting out with this game came here to compare setups. Now that I make my own, I have no use for the site to check daily.

My other point addressed on this thread still stands, but you just don't get it. The private conversation should have been just that. And any parties I may have included was to my discretion. And would have been updated after finding if my thought was right or wrong. If I further found out what I thought was not true, by the means I gathered my information. I would have apologize on my wrong assumption. Back then 6 months ago, I had a opportunity to compare notes and replays. Now I it's just a fact, I called you a cheat at that time. But I needed from you some proof at that exact time to compare.

Dude this game is nearing it's end. An what I might have said 6 months ago, when I couldn't defend myself, the truth be known from where I was coming from with the posts here. You took a Private message and insulted me and bought it to the public. But you don't get that. That it could have been worked out, with us both in private. Like I said, you DON'T GET IT.

[Volker Hackmann]

The tone my dear, the tone...
You come up shouting cheater at me as offensive as it gets, and then you're like hey just wait 6 months and I might change my mind? More so as you have absolutely no clue how to actually make use of the replay data, as you proved earlier, and will therefore keep randomly calling people out? You can be sure that I will keep CONVERSATIONS private, but being insulted and defamed in such a retarded way is not what I would call a conversation.

What I wrote in the previous post still stands, you didn't even bother to collect all the evidence that was available, and your excuse for this omission is really lame. Furthermore, as also stated above, your approach was the wrong way around, what you do first is collect evidence, then you interpret it, and finally you end up with a conclusion, but what you started with was the conclusion. Maintaining the right order is crucial though, otherwise you'll end up falsefully accusing people over and over again, as you did in this case. :)

Even if you had really wanted the replay from that qual session for whatever reason, the way to get it would have been simply asking me for it in a 'normal' way, instead of writing this abusive e-mail. You would not have gotten it either way (which you couldn't know though) :) as I only save my qual laps if they're either very good ones, if I want to have a closer look at them for some reason after the race (for example if I don't know where I lost time), or if the league rules say that I have to. Neither was the case here, there is no such rule in GNC and the lap was simply junk, I hit the wall coming out of turn 2 and didn't even get pole for a change.

[JnPrather]

RAZORBLADES IS A COMMUNITY PILLAR. GET OFF HIS BALLSACK.

[Derek_Wood]

RazorBlades, you had Volker convicted in your mind way before you wrote that email 6 months ago, and closed minded people like you aren’t going to change that belief despite overwhelming evidence against it. If you were really being objective here you would have apologized long ago, especially after what Volker has posted in this thread. If I didn't know otherwise (and maybe you are), I would swear you were the admin of a pickup server or the admin of a league the way you think and attack others that don't fit your mold of how things ought to be.

[Steve Wilkos]

http://www.thebestgossip.com/uploaded_images/steve-wilkos-tough-009-709488.jpg

RAZORBLADES, GET OFF MY STAGE.

[AOD_MillerTime]

FACT:
=========
If you claim or remotely think your the best. Then why haven't I seen you on other servers, fixed or open setups? Derek, and myself have been seen on any server, anywhere. And when we are there, we are finishing just where we would anywhere else. So to say "your the best" is a understatement.

FACT:
=========

Most people (for example: RazorBlades) who list "FACT" after "FACT" generally offer nothing but opinions.

Signed,
AOD_MillerTime

[Steve Wilkos]

FACT:
This kid has a point. Now get off my stage.

[RazorBlades]

RazorBlades, you had Volker convicted in your mind way before you wrote that email 6 months ago, and closed minded people like you aren’t going to change that belief despite overwhelming evidence against it. If you were really being objective here you would have apologized long ago, especially after what Volker has posted in this thread. If I didn't know otherwise (and maybe you are), I would swear you were the admin of a pickup server or the admin of a league the way you think and attack others that don't fit your mold of how things ought to be.

Derek I'm not sure why you are putting words into my mouth. Or ideas into everyone's heads here about me. I'm a very un-bias person that can step back a look at things from outside the box. Because the way you were treated at other places you race, you can't say I've ever treated you wrongly. Those that race where I boss always give me compliments on how well or a outstanding job I do. And I do that all for free, for those there. It's a courtesy to those that want to have a great race.

I use this game as a tool to improve upon my natural talent. Test my talents and learn from others better at certian things then me. I felt that after our races it always seemed no matter what setup was used. There seemed to be a edge that the rest of us didn't have, even at some points be side by side. Darlington bother me the most, cause of how much tires wear in general its set up for. I know I worked on a setup for two week prior to the race. Knew it was faster then the VH setup supplied from here, with less tire wear that I created. Yet, Volker seem to go on and on for lap after lap, never having to slow a little because of tire wear. You see them on TV and at the track, after the tires are worn some after 20 laps, their lap times fall off. Well Volker's hardly ever did in the races we ran. Which to me, just didn't make sense. I'd have to say six months ago, I was fed up with seeing myself, and others not even seem to come close on good setups. I might have ranted there, but it was as i posted throughout this post a private message. I didn't post this all over the place now did I? DID I? Heck no, this was directed between him and I. Once we would have had a discussion on emails. I'm sure I would have then said to him. Ok, you're right and I was wrong to judge you like that. BUT Volker decided to post it here then be a man and settle it privately.

[Steve Wilkos]

You've got a natural talent at being a whiny little bitch, that's for sure. Suck it up and take it like a man, it's the American way. Now seriously, get off my stage.*
















* And by "get off my stage," I mean get rid of your CD key so nobody has to see you ever again.

[Wingman46]

FACT:
=========

Most people (for example: RazorBlades) who list "FACT" after "FACT" generally offer nothing but opinions.

Signed,
AOD_MillerTime

AOD_MillerTime I've seen you hack in serria, don't try to sweep it under the rug. We all know what you Angels of Death guys are about. :rolleyes:

[Steve Wilkos]

Death? Now get off my stage.

EDIT: Naming the NFL team the Cleveland Browns is approprite, considering shit-stains like you are from there.

[Wingman46]

I saw him do it 2 days ago!!

[Steve Wilkos]

You're a dicktard, or so I've been told...

[TBurnsJr]

Oh, stfu Wingman46!

[AOD_MillerTime]

itz not speld serria, stupidhead

[TBurnsJr]

Why are you silly gooses fighting over a game?

[Wingman46]

riiiiight, why the hell have i been send a rpy of you weather hackin at california...ya answer that one smart one

[AOD_MillerTime]

if it was 2 dayz ago it was def my bro, i swear, hes stuopid n runs mah nayms accasionlly

[Wingman46]

cum on thatr's a freakin parker hammonds excuse...,.

i've seen all those aod guys hackiin espcaily at the 1.5 millers.

i hit one in atlanta an you barely got any damage. what the heck bro, u use the damage hack 2???? just admit you hack seirra all the time bro seen u run a 26.8 in phoenix

[AOD_MillerTime]

26.8 wuz @ 66 clowdy holme slice, its posibel don h8 bc u r two slo too keep up

[Wingman46]

ill h9 as much as i wana, u can't be sereus bout that, plus seen u run a 1:13.2 at BOTH teh road corses, no way is that possble.

wana go man? lets do this, meet u in the lobby, east allpha beginers

[AOD_MillerTime]

o BIRNG IT, i wood beat u up if i new u in perssen

[Wingman46]

im just sick of hax maan that cant admit it and tryu to earn some dam creditbility back. no ryme or reasen to not cum clean over everyone and say u hacked,,,,just dont make much sence to me rele. everyone has enough rpy evenesence to tell if someone hax. the game alows us that much,,,,no resen to not cum clean on us all.

[AOD_MillerTime]

o w/e d00d im dunn here, ur just a no life guy who raises all day wit no lyfe ok bye

[Wingman46]

have a nice life

[Dallas Cowboys]

Brawl City all over the numpads, BALLIN'.

[AOD_MillerTime]

u2 take care

lol u2s a good band thas ironyic

[Alexander_Thoms]

...., plus seen u run a 1:13.2 at BOTH teh road corses, no way is that possble.

Yea 1.13s on road courses. NO way !!! :wink:

[Thiago Moya]

We have sixteen other cheaters here? :eek: :eek: :eek:

http://gnc.vo-racing.de/index.php?load=db&db_series=3&db_show=results_details&event_id=945&session=qualifying

Chris Walker is the worst driver ever.

[Richard Towler]

I use this game as a tool to improve upon my natural talent. Test my talents and learn from others better at certian things then me. I felt that after our races it always seemed no matter what setup was used. There seemed to be a edge that the rest of us didn't have, even at some points be side by side. Darlington bother me the most, cause of how much tires wear in general its set up for. I know I worked on a setup for two week prior to the race. Knew it was faster then the VH setup supplied from here, with less tire wear that I created. Yet, Volker seem to go on and on for lap after lap, never having to slow a little because of tire wear. You see them on TV and at the track, after the tires are worn some after 20 laps, their lap times fall off. Well Volker's hardly ever did in the races we ran. Which to me, just didn't make sense. I'd have to say six months ago, I was fed up with seeing myself, and others not even seem to come close on good setups. I might have ranted there, but it was as i posted throughout this post a private message. I didn't post this all over the place now did I? DID I? Heck no, this was directed between him and I. Once we would have had a discussion on emails. I'm sure I would have then said to him. Ok, you're right and I was wrong to judge you like that. BUT Volker decided to post it here then be a man and settle it privately.

But again, as your so far off the pace you are in no way no matter what setup you ever use going to get close to Volker. Lets say you can improve Volkers setup, which is possible and its 0.050 faster which is about the most anyone will find to improve it. 0.050 is not going to help you beat volker, you need 1 second atleast and there is no setup ever that is going to give you that.

As i said before which you ignored, Volker driving around doing 29.0/1 to save tires at Darlington, and your doing 29.3 at your MAX pace is very different. He's going to be able to do that speed for a long time, your not. Volkers comparison pace would be a 28.5. Thats why he's beating you.

You still try to pass this off as 6 months ago, but your still going off about how you have information on volker that means he's hacking, not sharing the sets he has on the forum and all that crap, yet everything you have posted is complete and utter crap.

I hope it makes sence now. Also another tip, maybe if you removed yourself from the 'Hey if i keep kissing DMP's ass they'll let me in and l'll be at the top of the sim racing ladder' group you'd actually see that thread for what it is. DMP doesn't mean anything anymore and has joined the many list of groups or people trying desperately to hold onto some form of self importance before iRacing hits by sticking there head up something based on rfactor and taking advantage of a new community where 90% of them don't know any better.

[Volker Hackmann]

Darlington bother me the most, cause of how much tires wear in general its set up for. I know I worked on a setup for two week prior to the race. Knew it was faster then the VH setup supplied from here, with less tire wear that I created.
All you can judge upon is whether a certain setup works better for YOU, but because your driving is so far off - throttle use is just wrong (you work against the steering input, instead of supporting it), it's very unlikely that you're able to use the brake properly even though I don't have evidence for that, and your line doesn't make use of the whole width of the track either - you are NOT able to compare how different setups would work for a good driver. I mean, you wouldn't judge upon a Daytona setup by driving it around the track clockwise either, would you?

Furthermore, setups do not make tires wear unless they have some major flaws, such as running -7 camber with a speedway chassis or similar things no one would do. They're either fast or not, and tire wear is determined by how closely they're driven to the limit OF THE RESPECTIVE DRIVER. As Derek already explained, if you do all of the things wrong you did wrong at Lowe's and add braking to it, you can hot lap the crap out of your tires but you will still be slow, whereas a good driver is not even close to the limit, therefore hardly using his stuff up and will still be as fast or faster by simply driving in an effective way.


Yet, Volker seem to go on and on for lap after lap, never having to slow a little because of tire wear. You see them on TV and at the track, after the tires are worn some after 20 laps, their lap times fall off.
What they do on TV is completely irrelevant, as the tire wear in N2003 depends on track.ini entries, so 'everything' is possible depending on how accurately these values are set. If you had not only watched TV but also a the live timing device on nascar.com, you might even have noticed that in fact, real tires have a huge drop off after just a lap or two, a few laps later they stabilize and become quite consistent for a while, and at the very end of the run they may start to fall apart and therefore drop off quickly yet again (depending on whether Goodyear will bring a suitable tire to the track or not).


Well Volker's hardly ever did in the races we ran.
Umm hi...

Race laps
Lap 0: 2m13.609s ( 36.806)
Lap 1: 31.133s (157.955)
Lap 2: 28.849s (170.460)
Lap 3: 28.888s (170.230)
Lap 4: 28.783s (170.851)
Lap 5: 28.869s (170.342)
Lap 6: 28.913s (170.083)
Lap 7: 28.953s (169.848)
Lap 8: 35.853s (137.160)
Lap 9: 1m09.167s ( 71.097) [Off the track]
Lap 10: 1m26.754s ( 56.684) [Off the track, Pitted]
Lap 11: 1m26.779s ( 56.668)
Lap 12: 31.278s (157.223)
Lap 13: 28.932s (169.971)
Lap 14: 36.773s (133.729)
Lap 15: 1m06.453s ( 74.001)
Lap 16: 1m28.627s ( 55.486)
Lap 17: 1m28.776s ( 55.393)
Lap 18: 1m27.288s ( 56.337)
Lap 19: 31.181s (157.712)
Lap 20: 29.107s (168.949)
Lap 21: 29.187s (168.486)
Lap 22: 29.095s (169.019)
Lap 23: 29.191s (168.463)
Lap 24: 29.220s (168.296)
Lap 25: 29.486s (166.778)
Lap 26: 34.767s (141.445)
Lap 27: 1m08.979s ( 71.291) [Off the track]
Lap 28: 1m27.490s ( 56.207) [Off the track, Pitted]
Lap 29: 1m27.864s ( 55.968)
Lap 30: 1m27.067s ( 56.480)
Lap 31: 31.536s (155.936)
Lap 32: 29.058s (169.234)
Lap 33: 28.993s (169.614)
Lap 34: 28.773s (170.911)
Lap 35: 28.847s (170.472)
Lap 36: 28.919s (170.048)
Lap 37: 29.048s (169.293)
Lap 38: 28.999s (169.579)
Lap 39: 30.562s (160.906)
Lap 40: 1m10.467s ( 69.786) [Off the track]
Lap 41: 1m25.980s ( 57.194) [Off the track, Pitted]
Lap 42: 1m27.540s ( 56.175)
Lap 43: 1m28.602s ( 55.502)
Lap 44: 31.211s (157.560)
Lap 45: 1m07.305s ( 73.064)
Lap 46: 1m28.827s ( 55.361)
Lap 47: 1m28.714s ( 55.432)
Lap 48: 1m28.228s ( 55.737)
Lap 49: 31.484s (156.194)
Lap 50: 29.282s (167.940)
Lap 51: 1m07.256s ( 73.117)
Lap 52: 1m28.817s ( 55.367)
Lap 53: 1m28.718s ( 55.429)
Lap 54: 1m27.949s ( 55.914)
Lap 55: 31.563s (155.803)
Lap 56: 29.147s (168.717)
Lap 57: 29.091s (169.042)
Lap 58: 29.141s (168.752)
Lap 59: 29.124s (168.851)
Lap 60: 29.197s (168.429)
Lap 61: 29.234s (168.215)
Lap 62: 29.240s (168.181)
Lap 63: 29.283s (167.934)
Lap 64: 29.264s (168.043)
Lap 65: 29.230s (168.238)
Lap 66: 29.412s (167.197)
Lap 67: 29.459s (166.931)
Lap 68: 29.463s (166.908)
Lap 69: 29.427s (167.112)
Lap 70: 29.531s (166.524)
Lap 71: 29.612s (166.068)
Lap 72: 29.615s (166.051)
Lap 73: 29.669s (165.749)
Lap 74: 29.742s (165.342)
Lap 75: 29.896s (164.491)
Lap 76: 50.977s ( 96.467) [Off the track]
Lap 77: 1m00.415s ( 81.397) [Off the track]
Lap 78: 1m26.639s ( 56.759) [Off the track, Pitted]
Lap 79: 1m28.333s ( 55.671)
Lap 80: 1m26.991s ( 56.530)
Lap 81: 31.986s (153.743)
Lap 82: 28.946s (169.889)
Lap 83: 28.987s (169.649)
Lap 84: 28.946s (169.889)
Lap 85: 28.963s (169.789)
Lap 86: 29.059s (169.228)
Lap 87: 29.068s (169.176)
Lap 88: 29.402s (167.254)
Lap 89: 29.336s (167.631)
Lap 90: 29.219s (168.302)
Lap 91: 29.245s (168.152)
Lap 92: 29.356s (167.516)
Lap 93: 30.461s (161.440)
Lap 94: 1m09.957s ( 70.294) [Off the track]
Lap 95: 1m25.700s ( 57.381) [Off the track, Pitted]
Lap 96: 1m28.554s ( 55.532)
Lap 97: 1m27.981s ( 55.894)
Lap 98: 31.106s (158.092)
Lap 99: 28.728s (171.178)
Lap 100: 28.739s (171.113)
Lap 101: 28.759s (170.994)
Lap 102: 28.786s (170.833)
Lap 103: 28.840s (170.513)
Lap 104: 28.886s (170.242)
Lap 105: 29.025s (169.427)
Lap 106: 29.153s (168.683)
Lap 107: 29.037s (169.357)
Lap 108: 29.025s (169.427)
Lap 109: 29.211s (168.348)
Lap 110: 29.198s (168.423)
Lap 111: 29.303s (167.819)
Lap 112: 29.309s (167.785)
Lap 113: 29.539s (166.479)
Lap 114: 29.355s (167.522)
Lap 115: 29.863s (164.672)
Lap 116: 29.730s (165.409)
Lap 117: 29.638s (165.922)
Lap 118: 29.672s (165.732)
Lap 119: 29.680s (165.688)
Lap 120: 30.474s (161.371)
Lap 121: 29.877s (164.595)
Lap 122: 33.866s (145.208)
Lap 123: 1m09.770s ( 70.483) [Off the track]
Lap 124: 1m31.759s ( 53.592) [Off the track, Pitted]
Lap 125: 1m27.556s ( 56.165)
Lap 126: 1m23.124s ( 59.159)
Lap 127: 31.553s (155.852)
Lap 128: 29.011s (169.508)
Lap 129: 28.828s (170.584)
Lap 130: 28.713s (171.268)
Lap 131: 28.780s (170.869)
Lap 132: 28.974s (169.725)
Lap 133: 29.409s (167.214)
Lap 134: 28.957s (169.825)
Lap 135: 28.956s (169.830)
Lap 136: 29.035s (169.368)
Lap 137: 29.132s (168.804)
Lap 138: 29.262s (168.054)
Lap 139: 29.439s (167.044)
Lap 140: 30.227s (162.689)
Lap 141: 29.460s (166.925)
Lap 142: 29.413s (167.192)
Lap 143: 29.561s (166.355)
Lap 144: 29.554s (166.394)
Lap 145: 29.701s (165.570)
Lap 146: 29.695s (165.604)
Lap 147: 29.777s (165.148)
Lap 148: 29.931s (164.298)
Lap 149: 29.788s (165.087)
Lap 150: 29.834s (164.832)
Lap 151: 29.846s (164.766)
Lap 152: 29.908s (164.425)
Lap 153: 29.954s (164.172)
Lap 154: 36.197s (135.857)
Lap 155: 1m04.631s ( 76.087) [Off the track]
Lap 156: 1m26.651s ( 56.751) [Off the track, Pitted]
Lap 157: 1m28.294s ( 55.695)
Lap 158: 1m27.672s ( 56.091)
Lap 159: 31.009s (158.586)
Lap 160: 31.407s (156.577)
Lap 161: 1m05.978s ( 74.534)
Lap 162: 1m28.706s ( 55.437)
Lap 163: 1m28.828s ( 55.361)
Lap 164: 1m27.691s ( 56.078)
Lap 165: 31.325s (156.987)
Lap 166: 28.824s (170.608)
Lap 167: 28.884s (170.254)
Lap 168: 37.148s (132.379)
Lap 169: 1m05.214s ( 75.407)
Lap 170: 1m28.774s ( 55.394)
Lap 171: 1m29.007s ( 55.249)
Lap 172: 1m27.802s ( 56.007)
Lap 173: 31.443s (156.398)
Lap 174: 29.005s (169.543)
Lap 175: 28.982s (169.678)
Lap 176: 28.959s (169.813)
Lap 177: 28.996s (169.596)
Lap 178: 28.988s (169.643)
Lap 179: 29.030s (169.397)
Lap 180: 29.063s (169.205)
Lap 181: 29.098s (169.002)
Lap 182: 29.298s (167.848)
Lap 183: 29.235s (168.210)
Lap 184: 29.333s (167.648)
If I hardly dropped off in this race, maybe it's because there was hardly any occassion to do so because of all the cautions? The longest run we had was like 25 laps, the race was awful.

Oh and I also got yours...makes me wonder how you're even gonna compare two setups for yourself with the terrible lack of consistency you shew in this race.

Race laps
Lap 0: 2m15.553s ( 36.278)
Lap 1: 33.417s (147.159)
Lap 2: 29.915s (164.386)
Lap 3: 29.068s (169.176)
Lap 4: 29.428s (167.106)
Lap 5: 30.249s (162.571)
Lap 6: 31.124s (158.001)
Lap 7: 30.685s (160.261)
Lap 8: 43.509s (113.025)
Lap 9: 1m02.563s ( 78.602) [Off the track]
Lap 10: 1m23.552s ( 58.856) [Off the track, Pitted]
Lap 11: 1m21.421s ( 60.397)
Lap 12: 32.514s (151.246)
Lap 13: 29.732s (165.398)
Lap 14: 47.338s (103.883)
Lap 15: 59.037s ( 83.297)
Lap 16: 1m29.153s ( 55.159)
Lap 17: 1m29.346s ( 55.040)
Lap 18: 1m22.000s ( 59.970)
Lap 19: 33.741s (145.746)
Lap 20: 30.117s (163.283)
Lap 21: 37.023s (132.826)
Lap 22: 32.159s (152.915)
Lap 23: 29.799s (165.026)
Lap 24: 29.645s (165.883)
Lap 25: 30.260s (162.512)
Lap 26: 41.123s (119.583)
Lap 27: 53.707s ( 91.563) [Off the track]
Lap 28: 1m22.791s ( 59.397) [Off the track, Pitted]
Lap 29: 1m26.128s ( 57.096)
Lap 30: 1m24.382s ( 58.277)
Lap 31: 33.496s (146.812)
Lap 32: 31.124s (158.001)
Lap 33: 35.932s (136.859)
Lap 34: 30.551s (160.964)
Lap 35: 29.997s (163.937)
Lap 36: 29.824s (164.888)
Lap 37: 29.758s (165.253)
Lap 38: 29.665s (165.771)
Lap 39: 37.264s (131.967)
Lap 40: 56.415s ( 87.168) [Off the track]
Lap 41: 1m30.692s ( 54.223) [Off the track, Pitted]
Lap 42: 1m16.818s ( 64.016)
Lap 43: 1m26.282s ( 56.994)
Lap 44: 45.754s (107.479)
Lap 45: 58.238s ( 84.439)
Lap 46: 1m31.994s ( 53.455) [Off the track]
Lap 47: 1m24.609s ( 58.121) [Off the track, Pitted]
Lap 48: 1m24.262s ( 58.360)
Lap 49: 34.003s (144.623)
Lap 50: 43.567s (112.875) [Off the track]
Lap 51: 53.209s ( 92.420)
Lap 52: 1m27.817s ( 55.998)
Lap 53: 1m28.948s ( 55.286)
Lap 54: 1m24.878s ( 57.937)
Lap 55: 35.549s (138.333)
Lap 56: 30.652s (160.434)
Lap 57: 30.712s (160.120)
Lap 58: 30.207s (162.797)
Lap 59: 30.167s (163.013)
Lap 60: 30.692s (160.224)
Lap 61: 30.902s (159.136)
Lap 62: 30.278s (162.415)
Lap 63: 30.120s (163.267)
Lap 64: 31.628s (155.483)
Lap 65: 30.293s (162.335)
Lap 66: 30.780s (159.766)
Lap 67: 30.169s (163.002)
Lap 68: 30.626s (160.570)
Lap 69: 30.209s (162.786)
Lap 70: 30.434s (161.583)
Lap 71: 30.108s (163.332)
Lap 72: 30.234s (162.652)
Lap 73: 30.652s (160.434)
Lap 74: 30.598s (160.717)
Lap 75: 34.342s (143.195)
Lap 76: 35.521s (138.442)
Lap 77: 56.924s ( 86.389)
Lap 78: 1m18.365s ( 62.752) [Off the track, Pitted]
Lap 79: 1m26.309s ( 56.976)
Lap 80: 1m25.284s ( 57.661)
Lap 81: 34.460s (142.705)
Lap 82: 30.123s (163.251)
Lap 83: 30.370s (161.923)
Lap 84: 31.051s (158.372)
Lap 85: 29.837s (164.816)
Lap 86: 29.640s (165.911)
Lap 87: 30.149s (163.110)
Lap 88: 29.741s (165.348)
Lap 89: 29.940s (164.249)
Lap 90: 30.999s (158.638)
Lap 91: 30.407s (161.726)
Lap 92: 30.593s (160.743)
Lap 93: 35.365s (139.053)
Lap 94: 56.402s ( 87.188) [Off the track]
Lap 95: 1m20.051s ( 61.430) [Off the track, Pitted]
Lap 96: 1m28.995s ( 55.257)
Lap 97: 1m26.232s ( 57.027)
Lap 98: 33.457s (146.983)
Lap 99: 29.777s (165.148)
Lap 100: 29.282s (167.940)
Lap 101: 35.886s (137.034)
Lap 102: 30.445s (161.524)
Lap 103: 30.024s (163.789)
Lap 104: 29.824s (164.888)
Lap 105: 29.506s (166.665)
Lap 106: 29.750s (165.298)
Lap 107: 29.971s (164.079)
Lap 108: 29.596s (166.158)
Lap 109: 29.854s (164.722)
Lap 110: 31.097s (158.138)
Lap 111: 30.813s (159.595)
Lap 112: 30.012s (163.855)
Lap 113: 30.093s (163.414)
Lap 114: 30.185s (162.916)
Lap 115: 30.178s (162.953)
Lap 116: 30.709s (160.136)
Lap 117: 30.798s (159.673)
Lap 118: 31.539s (155.922)
Lap 119: 31.500s (156.115)
Lap 120: 30.874s (159.280)
Lap 121: 32.952s (149.236)
Lap 122: 1m06.069s ( 74.431)
Lap 123: 1m31.615s ( 53.676)
Lap 124: 1m30.149s ( 54.549) [Off the track, Pitted]
Lap 125: 1m22.993s ( 59.253)
Lap 126: 33.573s (146.475)
Lap 127: 30.490s (161.286)
Lap 128: 36.272s (135.576)
Lap 129: 29.948s (164.205)
Lap 130: 29.625s (165.995)
Lap 131: 29.396s (167.288)
Lap 132: 29.302s (167.825)
Lap 133: 29.537s (166.490)
Lap 134: 31.211s (157.560)
Lap 135: 29.903s (164.452)
Lap 136: 30.112s (163.311)
Lap 137: 30.070s (163.539)
Lap 138: 29.966s (164.106)
Lap 139: 30.076s (163.506)
Lap 140: 30.135s (163.186)
Lap 141: 30.124s (163.246)
Lap 142: 30.471s (161.387)
Lap 143: 30.903s (159.130)
Lap 144: 30.776s (159.787)
Lap 145: 30.465s (161.418)
Lap 146: 30.670s (160.339)
Lap 147: 30.415s (161.684)
Lap 148: 30.994s (158.663)
Lap 149: 30.792s (159.704)
Lap 150: 31.143s (157.904)
Lap 151: 30.827s (159.523)
Lap 152: 54.004s ( 91.060) [Off the track]
Lap 153: 59.876s ( 82.129) [Off the track]
Lap 154: 1m52.188s ( 43.833) [Off the track, Pitted]
Lap 155: 57.437s ( 85.617)
Lap 156: 1m22.401s ( 59.679)
Lap 157: 34.776s (141.408)
Lap 158: 52.286s ( 94.052)
Lap 159: 44.753s (109.883)
Lap 160: 1m28.715s ( 55.431)
Lap 161: 1m28.363s ( 55.652)
Lap 162: 1m23.918s ( 58.600)
Lap 163: 37.203s (132.183)
Lap 164: 31.972s (153.810)
Lap 165: 31.889s (154.210)
Lap 166: 50.569s ( 97.245)
Lap 167: 43.614s (112.753)
Lap 168: 1m27.057s ( 56.487)
Lap 169: 1m27.803s ( 56.007)
Lap 170: 1m25.747s ( 57.350)
Lap 171: 39.041s (125.960)
Lap 172: 32.436s (151.610)
Lap 173: 31.734s (154.963)
Lap 174: 31.732s (154.973)
Lap 175: 32.240s (152.531)
Lap 176: 31.576s (155.739)
Lap 177: 31.689s (155.183)
Lap 178: 31.637s (155.439)
Lap 179: 31.865s (154.326)
Lap 180: 31.469s (156.268)
Lap 181: 31.619s (155.527)


BUT Volker decided to post it here then be a man and settle it privately.
Be a man and accept that
a) most people are faster than you without hacking, including a (large) number of people who are A LOT faster and
b) calling people out for 'hacking' with no evidence whatsoever and without even knowing how to use possible evidence is wrong.

[Brad_Davies]

There seemed to be a edge that the rest of us didn't have, even at some points be side by side. Darlington bother me the most, cause of how much tires wear in general its set up for. I know I worked on a setup for two week prior to the race. Knew it was faster then the VH setup supplied from here, with less tire wear that I created.
Chris when are you going to get it through your head that your just not very good? That edge that you couldn't seem to figure out is called talent. My question to you is how can you be so sure that your setup is better than someone elses when u don't even have the skills to push either setup to their respective limits?

My advice to you is to shutup, accept the fact that you're not very good and quit making a fool of yourself by posting silly youtube videos, when you haven't a clue.

[RazorBlades]

Volker why don't you post the correct information for once.

This taken from our Darlington race:
============================

RACE LAPTIME CONSISTENCY
(first lap excluded)
Driver Avg Deviation Std Deviation Avg Laptime Laps
Florian Schust 16.621 9.833 43.668s 12
Chris Walker 18.035 3.376 44.169s 181
Stefan Kähne 18.039 3.320 43.538s 184
Tom Bleicher 18.245 3.301 43.952s 182
Uli Winkelmann 18.462 3.293 43.747s 183
Holger Naumann 18.463 4.263 44.605s 116
Bruno Fuchs 18.630 4.242 44.407s 118
Volyka Csaba 18.802 3.413 42.866s 159
Christian Piepenburg 18.944 2.155 49.043s 27
Christoph Kiel 19.014 3.398 43.465s 184
Roman Mathis 19.027 3.423 43.724s 183
Steffen Piplat 19.113 3.395 43.688s 183
Martin Kolibal 19.318 3.279 43.460s 184
Thomas Kögler 19.387 3.320 43.463s 184
Michael Hamann 19.681 3.380 43.470s 184
Volker Hackmann 20.171 3.335 43.435s 184
Andreas Neckel 21.613 7.528 45.564s 38
Burkhard Maring 22.813 6.556 51.415s 50
Patrick Ratajczak 22.871 5.636 50.911s 51
Alexander Becker 24.199 5.861 50.921s 49
Thomas Radtke 27.375 8.719 50.983s 15

===============================================
put that in your pipe and smoke it.


RACE RESULTS (After 184 laps)
Pos No Driver Laps Race Time Diff Speed Problem Points
1 18 Volker Hackmann 184 132m59.856s 113.391 185
2 07 Christoph Kiel 184 133m06.728s 06.872s 113.293

[Derek_Wood]

calling people out for 'hacking' with no evidence whatsoever and without even knowing how to use possible evidence is wrong.

RazorBlades, put the replay analyzer away. You have no idea how to use it. In races with yellows, the fastest guys usually have the worst "consistency" according to that report because their laps are farther from the yellow lap pace speed than are the slower cars, which skews the numbers. Not only that, those cars that are 1 or more laps down have less laps at green race speed than do those on the lead lap, which keeps their average deviation down.

[Volker Hackmann]

Your stupidity makes me cry. :(
The race was with cautions, so they are what causes the huge differences (normal lap time 29 seconds, caution lap 86 seconds). The difference is though that the leader - me for most of the time - has to slow down immediately and therefore run 4 extremely slow laps, whereas you have to catch up to the tail end of the pace line first and therefore only have 3 very slow laps scored.

If you have no idea how such things are calculated or work in general, just refrain from posting or you'll make a fool of yourself over and over again.

[Steve Wilkos]

Razorwhateverthehellyouare, put that in your pipe and GET THE HELL OFF MY STAGE.

[Richard Towler]

Volker why don't you post the correct information for once.

This taken from our Darlington race:
============================

RACE LAPTIME CONSISTENCY
(first lap excluded)
Driver Avg Deviation Std Deviation Avg Laptime Laps
Florian Schust 16.621 9.833 43.668s 12
Chris Walker 18.035 3.376 44.169s 181
Stefan Kähne 18.039 3.320 43.538s 184
Tom Bleicher 18.245 3.301 43.952s 182
Uli Winkelmann 18.462 3.293 43.747s 183
Holger Naumann 18.463 4.263 44.605s 116
Bruno Fuchs 18.630 4.242 44.407s 118
Volyka Csaba 18.802 3.413 42.866s 159
Christian Piepenburg 18.944 2.155 49.043s 27
Christoph Kiel 19.014 3.398 43.465s 184
Roman Mathis 19.027 3.423 43.724s 183
Steffen Piplat 19.113 3.395 43.688s 183
Martin Kolibal 19.318 3.279 43.460s 184
Thomas Kögler 19.387 3.320 43.463s 184
Michael Hamann 19.681 3.380 43.470s 184
Volker Hackmann 20.171 3.335 43.435s 184
Andreas Neckel 21.613 7.528 45.564s 38
Burkhard Maring 22.813 6.556 51.415s 50
Patrick Ratajczak 22.871 5.636 50.911s 51
Alexander Becker 24.199 5.861 50.921s 49
Thomas Radtke 27.375 8.719 50.983s 15

===============================================
put that in your pipe and smoke it.

i think maybe you need to put down the pipe and stop smoking whatever is in it.

[RazorBlades]

Derek I beg to differ.


Track: Talladega_nextel06_br Mon Oct 08 12:13:05 2007
RACE RESULTS (After 94 laps)
Pos No Driver Laps Race Time Diff Speed Problem Points
1 18 Volker Hackmann 94 108m43.471s 137.986 185
2 19 Dirk Hunschede 94 108m43.563s 00.092s 137.984 170
3 6 Alexander Becker 94 108m43.637s 00.166s 137.982 165
4 88 Chris Walker 94 108m43.766s 00.295s 137.979

RACE LAPTIME CONSISTENCY
(first lap excluded)
Driver Avg Deviation Std Deviation Avg Laptime Laps
Chris Walker 28.115 4.643 1m09.533s 94

Volker Hackmann 28.761 4.749 1m09.533s 94

[Derek_Wood]

Dude, what the hell is this? How is that any different than the previous example? Volker won the race, so his average green laps are faster than yours, which means they're farther from the yellow lap speed, therefore giving him a bigger average deviation. Plus, its talladega where everyone is very close to begin with. So even though Volker may not have had "bad" consistency in this example, its still worse than yours for the reasons I mentioned.

Back to Volker's original point. It is a fact that you do not drive consistent green flag laps, and that makes you a poor judge of a setups' qualities. Trying to misinterpret a replay analyzer report that is flawed, because of what several have mentioned here, isn't going to change what is so obvious to the rest of us.

[Steve Wilkos]

rehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[kidcodea]

this is better than the australian open, at least until sharapova plays.

/popcorn

[Z0iC]

BRAWL!

http://koti.mbnet.fi/zoic/icon_makepeace.gif

[Volker Hackmann]

BRAWL!
Appears to have come to an end, kidcodea killed it. :(

[Richard Towler]

or chris ran out of retarded things to post

http://rtowler.gamefaction.com/stophackingvolkeruk7.jpg

[kidcodea]

Appears to have come to an end, kidcodea killed it. :(

i guess there's a first time for everything

[der-fernlenker]

@Richard Towler (http://www.setup-guru.com/members/richard-towler.html) i couldn't imagine that someone who acts so hard in posts - could drive a NASCAR tire saving smooth and also fast...

from someone who tried to explain, to people like you, by facts and with out "shouting out loud" i think such a cool driver could handle a NASCAR smart 'n smothy fast...

be gentle to your tires and they'll be gentle when you need them
(also in postings a touch of "gentleness" is wellcome :biggrin: )

aren't we all driven by radio control - some less, some more...
sometimes it drives us wild, when we can't control...
our car, our speech...


what age are you Mr. Towler?
get wiser bevore posting back!

CU der-fernlenker

[Volker Hackmann]

what age are you Mr. Towler?
get wiser bevore posting back!
Uhh ich glaube du weißt nicht, mit wem du dich da gerade anlegst?
Des Weiteren frage ich mich, ob du den Thread komplett gelesen und verstanden hast? Bei dem Müll den Herr Razorblades sowohl hier in den letzten Tagen als auch auf anderen Plattformen über Monate hinweg von sich gab, ist wohl zu erwarten, dass er 'härter' angegangen wird. Als Neuling wirst du wahrscheinlich das meiste in diesem Thread (technische Aspekte von N2003, Replay Analyzer, Einfluss und Grenzen von Setups usw.) garnicht nachvollziehen können und Openspeedway oder DMP (geschweige denn was dort ablief) sagen dir überhaupt nichts, von daher kannst du dir auch unmöglich ein fundiertes Urteil über das gesamte Thema bilden und solltest dich besser zurückhalten.

[der-fernlenker]

ich glaube eher mit meinem englisch habe ich mich übernommen.

->dass er 'härter' angegangen wird.

ist ja dann auch irgendwann OK
(und denn noch von Deiner Seite sehr sachlich geblieben)

Meine Meinung ist, das jemand der wie Du, der eher ruhig und sachlich bleibt
dies wohlmöglich auch im Rennen ist

und der Rückschluß: wer sich beim posten nicht
beherrschen kann kanns wohl in einigen Situationen auch im Rennen nicht?
=> Rundenzeiten und Reifenstandzeiten => Rundenzeiten gegen ende des Rennens...


das man mit einem falschen Bremser die Reifen mehr ruinieren kann
als mit vielen Runden Vollgas, ist doch auch schon mir aufgefallen

Rückschluß: wenn jemand nicht so smooth durch die Kurven kommt
ist der Effekt so defizil, das man wohl möglich auf cheaten kommen kann?
(meine Meinung !)

damit wir hier nicht in deutsch tuscheln, kannst Du es bitte noch mal auf
englisch richtig sagen?


Nun, dies ist ein schönes forum und alle die wollen das das so ist,
haben sich ja auch zu posts hinreißen lassen s.o.

in N4 hatte ich auch die Zeit mit Setups herum zu "basteln"
- das das alles noch so viel besser geht, kommt mir auch :eek: "unwirklich" vor, aber ich merke es ja das es funktioniert, wenn ich selber fahre...

UND einen Replay Analyser hab ich auch :wink:
...ich kann bloß das gesehene eben nicht umsetzten...:heesygrin
(hab ja immer hin auch einige crashs überstanden, Top Ten hörte ich den Spotter sagen?
, da kannst sicher sein wie mich mein nicht Bremsen in R43 der maßen ärgert!
ist nun mal so, das in den Winter online Rennen die UnfallWagen schneller von der
Bahn geholt wurden? - Erfahrungswerte - estes yellow-Rennen - Mein Problem)


aber ich merke wie ich mich eigentlich zum klugscheißern hab hinreißen lassen,
obwohl schon alles durch die posts:
BRAWL!

http://koti.mbnet.fi/zoic/icon_makepeace.gif ..the sound makes a storm
gesagt war - und RB es woh eh nicht verstehen wird,
das der Ton die Musik macht...
(gitbs bestimmt ein englisches Sprichwort?)
...darum ging es mir eigentlich ohne Bezug zur Fahrzeugtechnik

CU

PS: Rückschluß: ich fahre wie ein ober Rookie und poste wohl auch noch so...
(lösch es bitte - Du bist nun wirklich der letzte, den ich verärgern will!
brauche doch nächstes Jahr Deinen Windschatten auf den Superspeedways :cool: )
...lösch den / die post/s - oder soll ich ihn editieren?

[Volker Hackmann]

Kannst ihn ruhig drinlassen, Richard hatte ihn eh schon gesehen. :)
Und dein 'Rückschluss' liegt so weit daneben, wie es nur eben geht.

[Mobil1fan]

C'mon guys, don't make get the Babelfish out now, or you'll regret it...

[Volker Hackmann]

It wasn't actually intended to be read by everyone anyway ;), but feel free to give the babelfish a shot, and then let's find out who will regret its grammar skills in the first place. :D

[kidcodea]

sontag, die grossen orgasmen mit ein frau aus bmw.

[Thiago Moya]

Chucrutis Schumacher bavaria audi Bayer Muchen papiro bmw SAP mercedez Berlim!

:eek:

[junae]

Chucrutis Schumacher bavaria audi Bayer Muchen papiro bmw SAP mercedez Berlim!

:eek:

Looooooool


That's the Moya I once knew... :heesygrin

[Rusty2g]

Richard Towler and Volker Hackmann drove me to hack! I could not beat them with my own talent, so i started hacking!:heesygrin

[Jarmo Katajisto]

I recently saw more and more people cheating at sierra. I estimate that about 10-20 % of all drivers cheat there. Last week i caught Fury3, the week before Parker Hammons. To be continued... :rolleyes:
I have race in sierra many times and i wondering why others go so fast, even when everybody have same setup ( fixed setup ) so maybe someone cheating i don´t know.Maybe they are so good.
I even don´t know how is possible cheat in that game and i really don´t want to know that.

Nascar 2003 is too good game to cheating !

and one thing , my opinion is, others view than cockpit is cheating :biggrin:

[Thiago Moya]

I hate VH because he is faster than me. :rolleyes:

[Huggo Aquino]

I hate VH because he is faster than me. :rolleyes:

I hate you because you're faster than me :sad::confused:

[Thiago Moya]

I hate you because you're faster than me :sad::confused:


So, you hate VH?

[Huggo Aquino]

So, you hate VH?

Unlike you, i never raced him, so i don't. Yet.

[Rusty2g]

This thread has provided much laughter for me. I wish we could get AOD Miller Time and Wingman46 in a ring together. I would pay to see that!:lol:

But really are 1:13's possible at WG and Infineon? HMM, lets see, i'm a shit r/c driver and i can turn 1:15's there, 1:13's are definately in the range and i've seen 1:11's even at WG. You get a proffesional real life r/c driver to drive the sim and i bet you would see 1:09's no problem. So to say 1:13's are not possible means you must be really ignorant and or stupid.

[Huggo Aquino]

At WG, 1:10 is possible

[jscharpf]

lol "RAbuseName: Abuse Department "

that was funny

reminds me of those letters I get in the mail

[surveyinthewoods]

I have a question for anyone who would like to answer. I'm the owner of a small league where a few guys get together and have a lot of fun a couple of times during the night. I have been running NR2003 since it first came out and I'm not one to scream "hacker". So I'm not going to do it now. But I have a few questions about a hack I remember from back in the day. It was the old pace car cheat where you could change the perimeters of your car. I haven't seen this one in a few years so I'm having problems remembering what to look for. Can anyone tell me the key things to look for? I do have a replay and a few picture if anyone needs to see them. A BIG thank you to Mr. Hackman and Moya for the awesome setups and for sharing them with everyone. Thank you for any help in advance.

[shock]

Oh my. I remember this well. I supposedly created this list and then revealed that I cheat and even spelled my own name wrong. Anyone who ever believed this crap is a tool. Oh well...off to check out VH and Wolf's Mazda Lime Rock set. What should I set my grip level at? :lol:


you mean this list?

Derek Wood
Steve Sheehan
Tyler Hudson
John Gorlinsky
Ray Alfalla
Dave Vincent
Bill Dorsey
Kevin King
Mike Ramsden
John Prather
Steven Steffen
Bob Bryant
Mat Chafe
Bryan Mooney
Tim Johnston
Mark Nobel
Jason Vannatta
Dale Earnhardt, Jr.
TJ Majors
Jeff Shrewsberry

They maybe some tools on the above list, but they're no hacks :) I'm sick of people posting the whole 'hey i have a list of hacks, and i'm not posting it crap' just fucking post it so there's no bullshit. If you want to see the truth about that list so everyone can stop jacking off about it, go here > http://www.ladderol.com/misc/mcgrane/

[Mark Bos]

Wow, what did i miss. Whole education in online sim racing in this thread, lol..

Awesome...:lol:

-Mark

[ronsenior]

To certain server admins and other poor losers on Sierra:


RICHARD TOWLER IS NOT A HACK.

Thanks for your attention.
this is posted on this site,i donot know or race against r.towler
so cannot say if he cheats,but i know i have been call a cheat even though i donot run any
posts like this bother me when i see them cause there is know way of proving who is driving,or if it has been alter to look like he is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYw7PbR_XTg&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYw7PbR_XTg&feature=related)
the game is being ruin by cheaters

[tiffany]

THATS TRUE. CHEATERS DO FUCK UP THE GAME, BUT THAT DONT MEAN THEY ALWAYS GOTTA WIN IT!! I WONT BE DEFEATED BY NO CHEATERS, FAKENESS IS WHEN YOU DONT EVEN NO YOUR THE OPPONENT. I CHOOSE MY BATTLES, THIS TIME I FIGHTING BACK. I NEED ALLIES, NOT MORE RIVALS. I WOULDNT STAND A CHANCE& DONT NEED MORE OPPOSITION. IF YOU AINT WITH ME YOU MUST BE AGAINST ME. BUT I AINT PLAYING YOU, I DONT EVEN NO YOU. THINK WHAT YOU WANT TO, I DONT CARE. I MIGHT NOT BE A" HACK", BUT I MAKE UP FOR IT IN THINGS YOU LACK. IM DEFINETLY 100% REAL. TOO BAD IF YOU AINT IMPRESSED. ARE WE GONNA BE FRIENDS CUZ IF NOT THEN MISS ME. I DONT NEED HATERS. NEVER DID I CLAIM TO KNOW THIS GAME. CAN I LEARN WHAT I CAN RIGHT HERE BECAUSE I NEED TO, OR DO I NEED TO KEEP SEARCHING? IM OPEN, SO PLEASE DONT ACT PRETENSIOUS. I DONT WANT NO PROBLEMS K SO PLEASE DONT BE A BULLY. I KNOW I AINT AS GREAT AS YOU. THATS WHY I NEED YOU, DO WHAT THOU WHILT THO OK

:wink:

[tiffany]

Ok wow your team really is very fast, alot faster than i can go yet. I still want to be friends tho and hopefully someday i'll be faster. I appreciate your help and dont expect to be able to keep up at all yet. Gotta begin somewhere tho and theres no place like the top. I'll post photos& update my profile soon. No i aint a cheat just want to win. Knowledge is power &you guys are fast. I'll be back, muah

[mrleisure]

ROFL....better watch out then :biggrin: